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Bill: Security Bill III Identity Cards
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative Liberal Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2170
Description[?]:
| Mentioned in Security Bill I |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government-issued identity card policy.
Old value:: Citizens are not issued with identity cards.
Current: Citizens are issued with identity cards on a voluntary basis.
Proposed: All citizens are issued with identity cards and are required to carry them at all times.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:06:08, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Security Bill III Identity Cards |
| Message | Split of from the first Security Bill |
| Date | 20:10:06, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Security Bill III Identity Cards |
| Message | The AAS offers the Conservative Party many thanks. Internal debate rages about whether to support - in the name of National Security - or reject - in the name of Liberty. |
| Date | 20:20:07, January 09, 2006 CET | From | JLP Liberation Militia | To | Debating the Security Bill III Identity Cards |
| Message | JLP shares in this internal debate. Perhaps the CP could elaborate on how this will not interfere with liberty. |
| Date | 20:33:09, January 09, 2006 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Security Bill III Identity Cards |
| Message | We are currently leaning to oppose; in the words of Franklin, those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety soon have neither liberty nor safety. |
| Date | 21:06:41, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Security Bill III Identity Cards |
| Message | The words of Franklin carry much weight. It would be interesting to see if our Conservative Party can see ways clear to alleviate such worries? |
| Date | 21:07:02, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Security Bill III Identity Cards |
| Message | JLP - It will interfere with liberty, in that you will be required to carry an ID Card. However the police have been given no extra powers, other than the right to check the ID Card upon request. |
| Date | 21:07:31, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Security Bill III Identity Cards |
| Message | Franklin owned slaves. |
| Date | 21:26:30, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Security Bill III Identity Cards |
| Message | A good argument against the man, but not a rebuttal of the philosophy. |
| Date | 21:33:56, January 09, 2006 CET | From | JLP Liberation Militia | To | Debating the Security Bill III Identity Cards |
| Message | How, exactly, is this going to make Likatonia safer? How will it help the police do their job better? How will it deter problems against the state? |
| Date | 21:35:45, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Security Bill III Identity Cards |
| Message | Quite, I was merely suggesting that his ideas can't carry that much wage. However, the CP cannot deny that this does impose certain limitations on liberty, it merely depends upon each parties personal view, as has been pointed out, national security or liberty. |
| Date | 21:43:08, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Security Bill III Identity Cards |
| Message | JLP - It will allow the police to combat identity fraud, illegal immigration and to other citizens in this nation illegally. One card will be enough evidence to prove one's identity, thus saving police and public a great deal of time. The ID cards will be near impossible to fake, thus at a stroke the police will have a reliable method to tackle those who 'steal' others identities. |
| Date | 05:13:33, January 10, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Security Bill III Identity Cards |
| Message | PSS will support this measure, it will facilitate the guarding of the values of our envisaged Religious state. It will be quite easy for us to link a card to details about if a citizen supports our beliefs or is against them, qualifying them for re-education. Strongly support. |
| Date | 14:56:55, January 10, 2006 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Security Bill III Identity Cards |
| Message | Our thanks to the PSS for showing us exactally why we should oppose this bill. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 130 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 252 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 118 |
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