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Bill: Repeal of Identity Card Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Ruthlessly Random Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2057
Description[?]:
| In the light of the unusual method of the said Act being passed we propose a vote to see if in fact we preferred the legislature not to have occured. ie. revote. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government-issued identity card policy.
Old value:: All citizens are issued with identity cards but are not required to carry them.
Current: Citizens are not issued with identity cards.
Proposed: Citizens are issued with identity cards on a voluntary basis.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:56:40, May 18, 2005 CET |
From | Communist Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | OOC to Spaam: IC you can be as honest/dishonest as you wish, but we made the decision to honor your OOC request because we expected more respect from you for the fairness of the game. |
| Date | 23:02:15, May 18, 2005 CET |
From |  First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | OOC: It was obviously not meant to go to vote, that was the truth. You can check the forums that I had asked for it to be removed for DAYS, that was the truth. And the Liberal Canucks (you are in a coalition with them, are you not?) refused to abide by them, which meant that we all would've been disadvantaged. I gave plenty of time for ppl to vote. And you never had to honour my wishes, though I thankyou that you did. Believe what you will, but there was no malice. |
| Date | 00:48:18, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Communist Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | ooc: ok, sorry to jump to conclusions. ic: The Communist Party confirms that it has joined an alliance with the Liberal Canuck Party. This was not a coalition--that is, an agreement among like-minded parties to pursue a common political orientation--but a bloc--that is, an agreement by politically dissimilar parties to engage in tactical cooperation against a common enemy (in this case, the power of the SSKC coalition). We will await new events before deciding whether we want to continue this cooperation. |
| Date | 09:16:25, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Kellarly Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | OOC: 4 hours is not long enough by a long shot. With people playing all around the world on vastly different time zones it was a bit short notice. |
| Date | 09:20:20, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | OOC: I am sorry, but what should I have done? I asked for it to be removed.
IC: Passing this bill would cause the government to lose millions. The Identity Cards are already being made and distributed, and the passing of this bill would be an Economic tragedy. |
| Date | 09:24:19, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Kellarly Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | OOC: I would have rather you would have abstained. At least then you would have kept your promise and we could punish the LCP at a later date. But its all done with now. Nevermind.
IC: The I.D. cards have been available for a long time already. There is no economic harm. |
| Date | 10:48:23, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | OOC: Abstaining damages you. And losing a vote does as well. Besides, I gave you all chances, and it was more likely that you guys would be online than me... it was midnight here!
IC: No, these are new biometric ID cards. The new technology had to be implemented because of the complusoriness. So yes, there IS economic harm, and a large one in fact. |
| Date | 11:11:41, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Kellarly Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | OOC: Point being? 4 hours is not long enough. You punished the majority and gave yourself an unfair advantage. I know its not wholly your fault, but still, you now gain an advantage over the rest of us that is unfair. But as I said, its over, we'll just have to play our way out of it. |
| Date | 11:43:58, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Kellarly Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | We are trying to repeal it on the grounds that it interfers with a person privacy and your 'reasons' about immigrants are wholly unfounded. The science can still be used in other applications. You should have thought about this before you brought it through. You knew it would be repealed. Hence, your fault. Its also your fault you put so much money into the programme, knowing it will be repealed. Don't try and blame us for your delusions of grandeur. |
| Date | 12:02:27, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | Its not the science that was the matter, but the actual products. We now have a surplus of cards which will not be used if it becomes voluntary.
Also, I believe it is the minister for Internal Affairs who deals with the distribution. And who might that be?
It is not our fault. |
| Date | 12:10:59, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Kellarly Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | Don't pull that one. You went over all our heads with this 'vote'. You pulled a stunt and now try to blame me when it comes to distribution. I can't stop the distribution as the Bill is now in effect, so my position of Internal Affairs Minister was by passed. If this repeal passes the cards may as well be destroyed. It is your fault for your trecherous 'vote' and your moronic production of these cards, despite knowing the opposition to them, is your own fault too. You, Madam, and your Party are the only ones to blame. |
| Date | 12:23:17, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | In that case we shall see when the elections come around, now shan't we?
It is not your fault that you and your party chose to go to the premiere of Star Wars VIII, instead of attend the normal parliamentary session. SOME parties have the interests of the nation at heart. |
| Date | 12:30:59, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Kellarly Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | Ohhh that was a cheap shot.
If you have the interests of the nation at heart, you would give them their freedom rather than take it away. Don't you ever doubt my dedication to this country, unlike you I fight for what is right. Not just gaining power by less than appropriate means like you and your party.
OOC: look what the random fact for today is eh? Random fact: The people in your nation don't like inactive parties. When you often abstain from voting for a bill, they will dislike your party. So keep in mind: voting Yes or No is always better than Abstaining. grrr :P |
| Date | 12:37:14, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | You might like to note that we only put forward the bill in response to the polls that we put to the people. 71% wished for identity cards. Since the people can see the benefits of them, why cannot you? We think that power has gone to your head. Remember you are democratically elected - your power comes from the people, and the people can take it away. |
| Date | 12:45:53, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Kellarly Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | Oh, what polls are these? They already have identity cards or didn't you notice? Pay attention to the Laws. Just because they weren't mandatory means nothing. We had 3 forms of identity cards already, the driving licence, the passport and the voluntary I.D. card. If there is no need to carry the new ones about, then what is the point? And why do you want Biometric information?
Power has gone to my head? Please. Let me remind you that your party are the ones who brought this through without giving those in Parliament fair warning. Bar LCP, we all abstained because we were asked to, then you betrayed our trust. LCP would have been punised at a later date, but no, you just voted anyways, along with your lackey, to promote yourselves. You are the one after power. My Party is merely following our beliefs. If the people want to take away our power, then so be it. But I will NOT have it taken away, nor any other parties power lessened, by your immature stunt. |
| Date | 13:02:39, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | We gave you ample opportunity to vote. We tried to have the bill removed but the law prevented it. Since the deadline for the bill was approaching I removed the request that you abstain. It is not our fault if you would rather watch a bunch of Wookies running about.
Repealing the bill will have an even bigger detrimental effect to you, I think you will find. The polls have been published for quite some time now. It it not our fault if you cannot be bothered checking the facts.
As for biometric information, it is to make sure that the ID cards cannot be forged. There cannot be identity theft, as you feared.
Now, the fact that there is no need doesn't remove from the fact that people may want to prove their identity. This will allow them. |
| Date | 13:09:12, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Kellarly Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | One month is not ample oppertunity and you know it. The fact you were callous enough to allow the Bill to be put to vote in the first place speaks volumes about your credibility.
As for the polls and checking the facts, we gave the people I.D. cards. They have their wish. Just because you want to produce some oppressive scheme to database people and let them become nothing but numbers to you also shows how cold and close minded your party's politics are. The repeal may hurt us, we don't mind, we are doing this in what we believe are the best long term interests of the people. Not just some short term fad. If you remember, the majority of people were against I.D. cards not so long ago, but we passed it to give them a choice. Your bill does not give them a choice.
They already had the possibility to prove their identity. We already had I.D. cards and other methods. You are simply pandering to gain votes and are nothing more than a political fashion victim. |
| Date | 13:21:08, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | Propoganda, Mr Shannow, mere propoganda. You know what you are saying is mere half-truths and omissions. Are you too in league with the Communists? |
| Date | 13:34:37, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Kellarly Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | I can confirm that neither the Kellarly Party nor the Communist Party have ever even communicated a desire to work with each other, let along ally ourselves with one another. Don't try and smere us. It won't work.
As for it being propaganda, I never like pandering to the media, however our Party will stand against what we feel is wrong, in this case, your actions and your callous responses are what we deem to be against the democratic spirit of this country. |
| Date | 14:26:40, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Kellarly Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | Anyways, we'll finish our protest now. We'll wait for this to go to vote or the election, which ever comes first. |
| Date | 17:57:43, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Ruthlessly Random Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | If the data has already been collated and processed we believe that if this Bill is passed all made ones shall be sent to their owners, who can destroy them if they wish and/or ask the data kept on the system be deleted. Therefore, people who could not be bothered previously have them, but strong objectors do not, and companies etc can not ask for them. |
| Date | 21:14:59, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Kellarly Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | If this goes to vote now it will pass before the election. But i guess we will have to wait til after to repeal the act. |
| Date | 08:07:02, May 20, 2005 CET |
From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | Not all the data has been collated. The deadline for the cards is June 2005. As this bill will not be passed before that time, every citizen over the age of 18 will have an ID card, though it is not complusory for them to carry it. |
| Date | 09:02:58, May 20, 2005 CET |
From | Kellarly Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | It still doesn't matter, as soon as this Bill passes the cards will be no longer compulsary and can be destroyed if necessary, along with all the data we hold concerning the individuals who wish for it. |
| Date | 11:21:51, May 21, 2005 CET |
From | Kellarly Party | To | Debating the Repeal of Identity Card Act | | Message | Very well. Considering the government would hold that information on the I.D. card elsewhere in other ministries it might be a bit pointless. |
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Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 119 |
| no | Total Seats: 51 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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