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Bill: Don't Bother Homeschoolers Act (DBHA)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Calvinist Conservative Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2057
Description[?]:
| While homeschooling is legal in this country, those who wish to exercise that right must jump through many legal hurdles, take multiple tests excessive of public-school standards, keep daily logs, and report rigorous portfolios. It is hereby resolved that homeschoolers are completely free to educate their children by themselves providing only a 24-hour notice to the nearest school district. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:43:27, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Calvinist Conservative Party | To | Debating the Don't Bother Homeschoolers Act (DBHA) | | Message | Because the game does not have a proper education setting for this, this bill will be role-play only, with no proposals. A good idea, actually, for my first bill, makes it so that if I mess up nothing serious happens. ;-) |
| Date | 09:54:06, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the Don't Bother Homeschoolers Act (DBHA) | | Message | "It is a well known fact that homeschoolers are in general more intelligent", ff.
Baseless generalisation.
What guarantee do we have that children will be educated well? While the SDP proposed regulation and endorses periodical examination (for major exams, on a par with state schools, for day-to-day tests, no requirement) to ensure that children are being taught competently, no law has been enacted to make daily logs mandatory, insofar as a child does well. If the quality of a child's teaching is under question, parents may choose to make logs to show they are teaching their children properly. Many do this to keep a record of what they have taught, just as school teachers do. |
| Date | 17:50:47, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Don't Bother Homeschoolers Act (DBHA) | | Message | SDP, I'd becareful in saying that it is a baseless generalisation. My brother was homeschooled and he is a very bright person. Smarter than most of the people his age. He ran circles around his hs teachers for the 1 month he as at the high school before going back to homeschooling.
Don't knock the homeschoolers. |
| Date | 18:56:10, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Don't Bother Homeschoolers Act (DBHA) | | Message | Oh brother. Here's another example. Homeschoolers have been winning spelling bees like there is no tomorrow. THey are brighter than most people. That is a known fact. |
| Date | 20:13:02, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | | To | Debating the Don't Bother Homeschoolers Act (DBHA) | | Message | Just because some, if not many, may be brighter, which might well be a result of their home-schooled education, does not mean that they should be exempt from meeting the standards set to ensure that sufficient education is provided to all the Tukaralian children. Besides, if they are much smarter, then there should be no problem for them to at the very least achieve a passing score on the exams required for completion of your education at the public school level.
In addition, the wording of the DBHA's description is largely inappropriate for insertion into the Tukarali Code. The Moderates recommend changing the wording so that it only states specificially the policy proposed. |
| Date | 23:49:39, May 19, 2005 CET |
From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Don't Bother Homeschoolers Act (DBHA) | | Message | You don't know it to be false. You just don't like the fact that parents are teaching their kids at home. My parents did it with my brother and he was smarter than all the kids in his own grade. Most homeschoolers are actually more intelligent than the people that attend public schools. At least all the ones that I've met at anyrate and I've met quite a few. |
| Date | 03:20:58, May 20, 2005 CET |
From | Inactive | To | Debating the Don't Bother Homeschoolers Act (DBHA) | | Message | yes, it is true that many home schoolers are smarter than average. Same with people in private schools AND public schools.
What about Gifted children? Are theu dumber than homeschooled students? I think not. it all depends on the situation and person. |
| Date | 05:14:26, May 20, 2005 CET |
From | Calvinist Conservative Party | To | Debating the Don't Bother Homeschoolers Act (DBHA) | | Message | "Baseless generalisation."
I said, "In general." Not "always".
In accord with the request of the TMP I have moved the final paragraph to debate from the bill.
"It is a well known fact that homeschoolers are in general more intelligent. It is also being proven that homeschoolers are better citizens, participate more in government, commit less crimes, and that homeschooling does not adversely affect social skills."
"Besides, if they are much smarter, then there should be no problem for them to at the very least achieve a passing score on the exams required for completion of your education at the public school level."
And there is no problem with that. However, when people are required to meet excessive standards, it amounts to discrimination.
"What about Gifted children? Are theu dumber than homeschooled students? I think not. it all depends on the situation and person."
Quite true; yet they possibly could have had even more brought out of them had they been homeschooled. Especially in early grades, a one on one teacher-student relationship is much more conducive to good education. |
| Date | 22:08:06, May 20, 2005 CET |
From | Inactive | To | Debating the Don't Bother Homeschoolers Act (DBHA) | | Message | So I am dumber than homeschooled children? I take offense to that.
I know some are homeschooled because they got expelled (not allt hoguh) |
| Date | 23:39:07, May 20, 2005 CET |
From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Don't Bother Homeschoolers Act (DBHA) | | Message | PP: No, you misconstrue what I said. The baseline was that ""It is a well known fact that homeschoolers are in general more intelligent" While I know some who have been taught well at home, I have also seen some families use home schooling to manipulate the system (i.e. get out of suspensions or expulsions but pulling their kids to 'home schooling' where they are really just getting the trouble off their record and then transfering into a district elsewhere.) By making a 24 hour notice with no recourse of PROOF they are being taught, this in essence gives a loophole to the mandatory education law that we have already in place. |
| Date | 03:31:53, May 21, 2005 CET |
From | Calvinist Conservative Party | To | Debating the Don't Bother Homeschoolers Act (DBHA) | | Message | "So I am dumber than homeschooled children? I take offense to that."
I said no such thing. I said "quite true" to the effect of saying that giften children are NOT always dumber than homeschooled students.
"By making a 24 hour notice with no recourse of PROOF they are being taught, this in essence gives a loophole to the mandatory education law that we have already in place."
Is the government so stupid that it can't figure it out when people do that? Don't school districts keep records?
"I know some are homeschooled because they got expelled (not allt hoguh)"
The vast majority (like >99%) are homeschooled because their parents want them to get a better education, or for religious reasons, or because they want to spend more time with their children, or dozens of other innocent reasons. Don't condemn a whole movement on the actions of a criminal few. |
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