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Bill: Referendum on the Royal Line
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hosian Socialist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 3961
Description[?]:
| Mr. Speaker, Before the creation of an elected monarchy the Royal House of Orange Villayn ruled the Holy Luthori Empire. Since the monarchy is no longer an elected role, there should be discussion on who should be the emperor of the Holy Luthori Empire. While Charles X of Stueart-Geharon is the current Emperor, it might be best to discuss who the next emperor should be. I yield Thaddeus Heath Imperial-Seal Bearer |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:27:28, July 18, 2015 CET | From | Hosian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Referendum on the Royal Line |
| Message | The Question posed on this bill is: Should Charles X of Stueart-Geharon remain as the Emperor of the Holy Luthori Empire and start a new royal line? If this resolution passes then there will be subsequent bills to decide who will replace him and who will be the interim monarch. |
| Date | 13:16:08, July 19, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Referendum on the Royal Line |
| Message | The Liberal Alliance proposes as follows: The Duke of Adlerberg has been royal for over a thousand years. The LA proposes that the House of Adlerberg should be the next Royal House, therefore the House of Steuart-Geharon is not legitimate. Our second choice is to reinstall the Orange-Villayns. I yield. |
| Date | 13:43:27, July 19, 2015 CET | From | Conservative Liberals | To | Debating the Referendum on the Royal Line |
| Message | Mr Speaker The Conservative Liberals believe that the sucession should not be Gender Bias. I yield Lady Hermione Edwards, Leader of the Conservative Liberals |
| Date | 15:21:24, July 19, 2015 CET | From | Conservative Party of Luthori | To | Debating the Referendum on the Royal Line |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We will only support a Royal that is non-partisan. The current Monarch is clearly that so we suggest they be removed from the throne immediately. We also would never support the Duke of Adlerberg as a Monarch because he has clear connections to the Liberal Alliance. Eric Richardson Leader of the Liberal Progressives |
| Date | 15:48:46, July 19, 2015 CET | From |  姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Referendum on the Royal Line |
| Message | OOC: As head of the IML and the former Moderator who came up with the character protocols, only character owners may use use their characters. If there is no proof of ownership, either a bill or a message, then those characters cannot be used. Thus, the House of Orange-Villayn has no owner and cannot be used. Claims of descent can be made, but never verified. I believe that the the House of Aynako in Dankuk (formerly Tukarali) is the only house in existence with a controller that is actually related to the Houses of Orange-Villayn and Rothringren-Traugott. |
| Date | 16:40:53, July 19, 2015 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Referendum on the Royal Line |
| Message | OOC: Scratch that, I just looked through the wiki and it appears the Princes and Duke of Adlerberg are related to the House of Orange-Villayn. St. Martin/Martinulus (in Selucia) also controls the House of Rothingren-Traugott, house from which the House of Orange-Villayn descends. I am sure he would be willing to provide a candidate. |
| Date | 14:57:06, July 20, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Referendum on the Royal Line |
| Message | Ooc: so the Duke of Adlerberg is seen as legitimate? |
| Date | 18:15:54, July 20, 2015 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Referendum on the Royal Line |
| Message | OOC: According to the wiki on the Luthorian nobility which has not been edited since Matthus, he is considered a cadet prince of the House of Orange-Villayn. I will double check though. Rothingren-Traugotts are also available. They would be the next closest. |
| Date | 22:15:59, July 20, 2015 CET | From | Hosian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Referendum on the Royal Line |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, With this information from the Imperial Historian, it does appear that the House of Adlerberg is the claimant house that still resides in Luthori. It might be best to have them take up the line, even if they have connections to the Liberal Alliance. I yield |
| Date | 23:57:24, July 20, 2015 CET | From | Alliance Against Left | To | Debating the Referendum on the Royal Line |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The members of our party think that it is better for the stability and order of the Empire when the reigning dynasty is never changed without necessity - consequently we will support the House of Stueart-Geharon assuming it wants to remain in office. I yield. |
| Date | 00:38:13, July 21, 2015 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Referendum on the Royal Line |
| Message | OOC: So, yes, the House of Adelberg is a cadet branch of the House of Orange-Villayn (male or female I'm unsure), but this is confirmed by Xanathos' edit of the wiki when he was controller of the house. |
| Date | 14:20:47, July 21, 2015 CET | From | Triumviratus ad R.P. Instaurenda | To | Debating the Referendum on the Royal Line |
| Message | OOC: I think the most logical place for the Rothingren-Traugotts to be is actually Luthori. They were driven out of Hulstria at some point, and their most logical place of refuge would have been here. So while they're not landed, they do have the best claim and would be present. I'd be willing to provide a candidate (even make Luthori my new base of operations and play here notwithstanding occasional projects elsewhere) if you're stil interested. |
| Date | 14:26:01, July 21, 2015 CET | From | Triumviratus ad R.P. Instaurenda | To | Debating the Referendum on the Royal Line |
| Message | (OOC: For further clarification, when I say "move here", I would not create a party with any special attachment to the RTs, as I believe such parties are rather foolish (though it would be royalist). I'd play the Emperor in the same way as I played the Emperors of Hulstria and Gao-Soto, totally impartial and never in any way connected to my parties.) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 27 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 418 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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