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Bill: Scientific Research Bill of 3887
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Democratic Action Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 3890
Description[?]:
| We, the LDAP, believe that animal research should be banned, because it is cruel if we force feed, kill, deprive an animal of food and water. We believe that animals should not be killed, since they are a part of nature and without them, we would not experience the joy of nature. Clause 1: Animals cannot be used for human experiments, but can be used (with an agreed license) for animal related experiments |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The use of animals in medical research.
Old value:: Animal research projects must apply for a license and submit to regulation.
Current: Animal research projects must apply for a license and submit to regulation.
Proposed: Animals may not be used for any research.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:52:08, August 05, 2015 CET | From |  Davostan Monarchist Party | To | Debating the Scientific Research Bill of 3887 |
| Message | So you'd rather we risked human lives in the early stages of medical research? Or should we just stop trying to research new medicines at all? |
| Date | 15:24:05, August 05, 2015 CET | From | United Democratic Action Party | To | Debating the Scientific Research Bill of 3887 |
| Message | We believe that animals should not be used in medicines, since it is cruel to mother nature. |
| Date | 15:32:04, August 05, 2015 CET | From | United Democratic Action Party | To | Debating the Scientific Research Bill of 3887 |
| Message | We do not agree with risking human lives. We believe that alternate methods should be implemented for medical research. |
| Date | 16:30:10, August 05, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Davostan | To | Debating the Scientific Research Bill of 3887 |
| Message | We agree, slightly. The law that you're trying to change was implemented by my parties ancestors. And its intention was, "If medical research is done to aid the animal (e.g. cure a disease native to an animal but not human) then it can go ahead. But no animal can be used for human-related experiments." Let me find the bill so you can refer to it. |
| Date | 16:33:41, August 05, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Davostan | To | Debating the Scientific Research Bill of 3887 |
| Message | I stand corrected. The bill did not define that animals could not be used for human benefit. http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=426890 I'd like to propose that a clause is added to that law, where animals cannot be used for human experiments, but can be used (with an agreed license) for animal-related experiments. |
| Date | 16:53:31, August 05, 2015 CET | From | Davostan Monarchist Party | To | Debating the Scientific Research Bill of 3887 |
| Message | "We do not agree with risking human lives. We believe that alternate methods should be implemented for medical research." - You either use animals or humans. There's no other way to test them. |
| Date | 17:04:16, August 05, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Davostan | To | Debating the Scientific Research Bill of 3887 |
| Message | "You either use animals or humans. There's no other way to test them." - Then I'd use humans for human experiments and animals for animal experiments. Using both for either is illogical. Humans aren't like other animals and animals aren't like humans. It's completely irrelevant to use animals in human experiments. "Oh but there are risks to human lives" - Yes there are, but I'd rather use humans in human related experiments (e.g. curing a disease that only humans get) or animals in animal related experiments (e.g. curing a disease that only animals get) |
| Date | 17:19:30, August 05, 2015 CET | From | Davostan Monarchist Party | To | Debating the Scientific Research Bill of 3887 |
| Message | "Then I'd use humans for human experiments and animals for animal experiments. Using both for either is illogical. Humans aren't like other animals and animals aren't like humans. It's completely irrelevant to use animals in human experiments. " - Oh God, you show us yet again how ignorant you are. Mammals like mice are similar to humans in many ways and different chemicals/drugs often have a very similar effect on animals as they do to humans. If we use humans for the very first tests on drugs, we risk causing huge harm to the individual being tested. Testing it on animals first is to ensure that it is safe for testing on humans. You seriously need to educate yourself on this matter if you think using animals for drug testing is illogical. "Yes there are, but I'd rather use humans in human related experiments (e.g. curing a disease that only humans get) or animals in animal related experiments (e.g. curing a disease that only animals get)" - You're putting the life of a mouse(most common animal for testing) over the life of a human here. |
| Date | 20:21:13, August 05, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party of Davostan | To | Debating the Scientific Research Bill of 3887 |
| Message | "Testing it on animals first is to ensure that it is safe for testing on humans. You seriously need to educate yourself on this matter if you think using animals for drug testing is illogical." - What if the drug/whatever does not show any ill-effects on animals but it does on humans? "You're putting the life of a mouse(most common animal for testing) over the life of a human here" - No, I'm putting the animal into animal experiments and human into human experiments. |
| Date | 22:10:36, August 05, 2015 CET | From | Davostan Monarchist Party | To | Debating the Scientific Research Bill of 3887 |
| Message | "What if the drug/whatever does not show any ill-effects on animals but it does on humans?" Then that's a tragedy. But in most cases you will see negative effects on the animal and be able to judge from that what it might do to a human. Animal testing isn't perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than going straight to humans. "No, I'm putting the animal into animal experiments and human into human experiments." - You're taking animals out of experiments so humans must be used instead. Increasing the risk in loss of human life. So you're putting the life of the animal before the life of the human. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 153 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 171 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 174 |
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