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Bill: Reducing the Number of Laws, 3893
Details
Submitted by[?]: Borgerlig-Demokratiske Union
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 3894
Description[?]:
| Mr Speaker, we find it quite discriminatory that a modern liberal democracy like Kazulia requires laws that explicitly guarantee the right to things such as interracial marriage which should be taken for granted without having the state explicitly state it, as we have a general law that ensures that all consenting adults may get married, which surely applies to Kazulians of all kinds of ethnic backgrounds equally. The same applies to interracial sexual acts, systematic interpretation of the law would allow the conclusion that it is legal even without an explicit law. We also believe that matters of morality, such as the question of adultery or crossdressing, should not be dealt with by the state but rather by the private parties affected by them: for example, couples should be able to determine autonomously whether their marriage contract ought to include an adultery clause, and citizens should be able to determine themselves whether they tolerate crossdressing on their property. This would greatly enhance individual freedom and strengthen the idea that the state should not legislate morality, which is an essential precondition for a free society. Prof. Hans Granlund FV party leader |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to adultery.
Old value:: Adultery is legal.
Current: Adultery is legal.
Proposed: There is no explicit government policy on adultery.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government position in respect to crossdressing policy.
Old value:: Crossdressing is allowed.
Current: Crossdressing is allowed.
Proposed: The government has no policy concerning crossdressing.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The legality of interracial sex.
Old value:: Interracial sex is legal.
Current: Interracial sex is legal.
Proposed: The government has no policy concerning interracial sex.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Government recognition of interracial marriages (if marriages are recognised).
Old value:: Mixed race marriages follow the same regulation as other marriages.
Current: Mixed race marriages follow the same regulation as other marriages.
Proposed: The government has no policy concerning interracial marriage or civil unions.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:38:32, August 17, 2015 CET | From |  Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen | To | Debating the Reducing the Number of Laws, 3893 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, this is bullshit,. if a person really love you, then he has no need for an aldury close, beside, adultery is not a bad thing, it is a civil right, youi have the right to engage a sexual relationship with who you want, not only with your hubsband, the libertarian wish to give right to some people to oppresse others. we disagree, we see no reason why a marriage contract should outlaw adultery. Mr. Granlund, but out of our marriages |
| Date | 19:12:06, August 17, 2015 CET | From | Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen | To | Debating the Reducing the Number of Laws, 3893 |
| Message | I'll be very clear. Mr. Granlund, you have no place in my bedroom. Nellie Karlsson |
| Date | 19:45:33, August 17, 2015 CET | From | Borgerlig-Demokratiske Union | To | Debating the Reducing the Number of Laws, 3893 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, we do not wish to give anyone the right to impose their values on others, just the chance to realize their ideas of morality consensually and autonomously outside of government-approved norms. If that includes precautions against adultery, then so be it. It will still require mutual consent by both spouses. Prof. Hans Granlund FV party leader |
| Date | 22:38:57, August 17, 2015 CET | From | Arbeiderpartiet (Labour Party) | To | Debating the Reducing the Number of Laws, 3893 |
| Message | Speaker: Order, order. The hon. lady [Karlsson] will withdraw the word "bullshit". It is unparliamentary. |
| Date | 01:18:19, August 18, 2015 CET | From | Folkeviljen (FV) | To | Debating the Reducing the Number of Laws, 3893 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, This bill is a great initiative and a wonderful effort to put Kazulia on its track again. It is better to untouch social policies rather than officially allowing or banning what people can or can not do. We also demand a formal apology from the Hon. Lady Karlsson for using obscene language in our sacred Storting. Gustav Westerberg SD Leader |
| Date | 02:40:31, August 18, 2015 CET | From | Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen | To | Debating the Reducing the Number of Laws, 3893 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker There is nothing scared about this house, we are elected by people to represent them and to defend their interest, not the interest of a god. This is clear a sad betreyal by the Labour of any left-wing principes. our laws do not regualte morality, they regulate physical lives, and as long as actions does not cause physical harm to others, they should be legal, and I am very sorry to explain this, but Adultery does not cause physical harm to others, it should be legal.Now the government is destroying the laws, hoping the conservatives will get to impose their will on the weaks. The government should protect the weak and tell what is good and what is not good. Not oppression them and not leaving them to themselves. Nathalie Karlsson |
| Date | 02:42:06, August 18, 2015 CET | From | Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen | To | Debating the Reducing the Number of Laws, 3893 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, one should always speak the truth and this is far from a good bill, why should stick to such a stupid parliamentary codes ? not like I insulted the person and made a direct attack... Nathalie Karlsson |
| Date | 02:53:26, August 18, 2015 CET | From | Folkeviljen (FV) | To | Debating the Reducing the Number of Laws, 3893 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Frankly, madam, you are not elected yet. And, you have the courage to say "there is nothing sacred about this house" or "why should we stick to such stupid parliamentary codes?". Great way to get into the Parliament, if you ask me. Gustav Westerberg SD Leader |
| Date | 09:42:08, August 18, 2015 CET | From | Arbeiderpartiet (Labour Party) | To | Debating the Reducing the Number of Laws, 3893 |
| Message | OOC: As a future convention, are you happy for the governing party to RP the Speaker? That is the practice in some countries. |
| Date | 09:45:08, August 18, 2015 CET | From | Arbeiderpartiet (Labour Party) | To | Debating the Reducing the Number of Laws, 3893 |
| Message | Speaker: The hon. lady will remove herself from the chamber if she is not willing to abide by standing orders. |
| Date | 13:04:02, August 18, 2015 CET | From | Folkeviljen (FV) | To | Debating the Reducing the Number of Laws, 3893 |
| Message | OOC: That's fine by me. |
| Date | 18:34:05, August 18, 2015 CET | From | Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen | To | Debating the Reducing the Number of Laws, 3893 |
| Message | Sorry Mr. Speaker But now, I am elected, and still don't even believe this bill is qualified to be garbage. it should be burned, just like we can burn the flag when we are very angry Kazulia government. Nathalie Danielsson, Deputee for the Fria Communist alliance OOC : Sorry, my character is nammed Danielsson, Karlsson is for Nellie, I made a mistake. |
| Date | 11:49:13, August 19, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Reducing the Number of Laws, 3893 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The moral life of this nation depends on the recognition in our laws of family values. Though we would support any move to remove the explicit approval of breaking the vows of marriage by adultery from the law, for the good of our families, this is the only case in which we, as a party, would agree with Mr. Granlund. Enshrining some fundamental principles including the equality of interracial marriages and of interracial sex is simply a statement of the values underpinning the state, without which freedom becomes atomistic. Hans-Peder Juel, FP Leader |
| Date | 17:25:14, August 19, 2015 CET | From | Venstre | To | Debating the Reducing the Number of Laws, 3893 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Whereas we agree with the general principle behind this bill, we feel that crime victims would have an easier time with specific legal protections remaining in the criminal code. We will therefore oppose the bill. |
| Date | 20:13:54, August 19, 2015 CET | From | Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen | To | Debating the Reducing the Number of Laws, 3893 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, no one want the government to legislate on morality, but Adultery is not a reason nor a crime in the eyes of the state, it is legal, since no one was hurt and that is the only important stance. If you commit no crime, you have the right to know that you did nothing wrong. Nathalie Danielsson, Depute for the Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 58 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 29 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 52 |
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