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Bill: Communist freedom
Details
Submitted by[?]: Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 3897
Description[?]:
| This bill is a proof that we believe in freedom, especially for women. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on incest.
Old value:: Incestuous acts are illegal.
Current: Incestuous acts are illegal.
Proposed: Incestuous acts are legal and incestuous marriages are legally recognised.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning parental qualifications.
Old value:: The government requires a test for would-be parents, if parents circumvent the test they are allowed to keep the children, but are watched for incompentence.
Current: The government does not hold qualifications for new parents.
Proposed: The government does not hold qualifications for new parents.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding child benefit.
Old value:: The state guarantees child benefit to both low-income families and large families.
Current: The state guarantees child benefit to families classified as low-income or poor.
Proposed: The state guarantees child benefit to all families.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The legality of interracial sex.
Old value:: The government has no policy concerning interracial sex.
Current: Interracial sex is legal.
Proposed: Interracial sex is legal.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:24:08, August 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Communist freedom |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, This bill is inconsistent in its approach. If it were only about child benefit, it would be conducive to family values - but legalising incest, with all the genetic defects and unbearable suffering it may produce in children born of such acts, is a despicable idea contrary to that entire idea. Ingbert Matthiasen (FP-Hent) Parliamentary Leader |
| Date | 15:38:16, August 24, 2015 CET | From | Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen | To | Debating the Communist freedom |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, With the next scientific evolution, incest-born children won't have any genetics defects, why does you guys believe that would be so much trouble, as there are law agaisnt rape already and 90% of incests crimes could just be rape crimes, it would be enough. While these famillies are rare, there are no reason for them to cut the relation, because they suddenly learn that partner are related. Nathalie Danielsson, Depute for the FKA |
| Date | 15:42:13, August 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Communist freedom |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, But the next scientific evolution is not here yet, so that argument is invalid. As for the member's question, it is because it isn't a question of "finding out suddenly that you are related", but of wilfully engaging in activity that is immoral and inflicts genetic disability on potential children born of the match. |
| Date | 15:52:29, August 24, 2015 CET | From | Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen | To | Debating the Communist freedom |
| Message | Mr speaker People don't always have sex to have children, but merely fun, and yeah, my brother's company is developping the three-parents child method, there are much promesses. yet people don't always know who are their brother or sister, especially if they are adopted, I don't see why It is immoral for siblings to engage in se, especially if they are aware of all risks, it is their lifes, no your Nathalie Danielsson, Depute for the FKA |
| Date | 16:00:30, August 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Communist freedom |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, But it is the life of their child, and anticonception is not sufficiently advanced to guarantee that there will be no children. People need to face the consequences of their actions - for that reason, sex can never be entirely "merely fun". And on a point of order, is it admissible for the member to address me directly, Mr. Speaker? |
| Date | 16:05:59, August 24, 2015 CET | From | Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen | To | Debating the Communist freedom |
| Message | Mr. Speaker can we ask the People's party to get out of people's bedroom please. Nathalie Danielsson, Depute for the FKA |
| Date | 17:43:43, August 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Communist freedom |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Now that attitude is uncalled for. That I do not agree with the lady's over-the-top "Anything Goes" policy does not mean she can stop being civil. I am not some evil medieval Arch-Patriarch seeking to rule people's lifes from far-away Auroria. I am a concerned citizen of Kazulia representing people who have a problem with this sort of behaviour and their voices should be heard. For shame, Mr. Speaker, that Mrs. Danielsson is disqualifying my views so completely. I thought we would be able to have a reasonable discussion, but alas. Ingbert Mathiassen FP Parliamentary Leader |
| Date | 18:36:16, August 24, 2015 CET | From | Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen | To | Debating the Communist freedom |
| Message | Mr. Speaker if we take the fact that I have a relationship with my brother, which is not true, but let's say it is true for our mental exercice, who do I threatned ? the guys next door married to another woman unrelated to him ? I am not attacking his marriage and asking him to marry his sister. I am just a simple girl, who have a great relation with her brother and who wish to give her eternal love to the only man she loves. The point about the children should be left to me, after all, it would be who will have the choice to given birth or not and to use contraceptive or not. I make the choice in my relationships, and ir ever it degrades, well, then I can still quit him. or course, all of this is extremely hypothetical because nothing is true. And if in situation I really wanted a child, I would certainly seek a way to make it so my child have no genetic defect. While I note the concern of Mr. Mathiassen, i believe they are incorrect Nathalie Danielsson, Depute for the FKA |
| Date | 18:58:42, August 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Communist freedom |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Who is she to make that choice for her hypothetical children? She gives them life. If they have to live that life with genetical defects because she thought incest was okay. This is a serious medical condition we are talking about, and a choice the child cannot make for itself, but which is made for it. There is no way to be sure your child has no genetic defect except in science fiction, which I hope we're not dealing with. |
| Date | 19:19:28, August 24, 2015 CET | From | Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen | To | Debating the Communist freedom |
| Message | Mr. Speaker We should show more faith in science, then that, we have develop In Vitro fecondation, something that allow wife to be insiminated by the sperm of their deceased hubsband, before it was just science-fiction, but now it is real and it is legal. The lack of faith thsat the FP is showing for science is very discourageing, beside, is there any kind of research that will prove it, I am sure my brother would be willing to do such a research, but in order to proceed, we would need law exemption and we would not candidates who are willing to engage in incest for the shake of science, I don't remember such a research being conducted, but I would be very interessed in it, I am always very interessed in science. |
| Date | 09:33:06, August 25, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Communist freedom |
| Message | (OOC: According to the rules, futuristic technology is inadmissible. I think genetic manipulation so advanced it can remedy the effects of inbreeding falls squarely in that category.) |
| Date | 15:07:55, August 25, 2015 CET | From | Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen | To | Debating the Communist freedom |
| Message | OOC : it is being developped right now. I believe it was in Norway and it is called three parents child technique) http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/feb/02/three-parent-babies-explained |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 1 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 86 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 52 |
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