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Bill: Polygamous Marriage Moratorium, 3896
Details
Submitted by[?]: Folkepartiet (People's Party)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 3897
Description[?]:
| Mr. Speaker, I rise to propose that the state no longer recognise any new polygamous marriages. It is my firm belief that these marriages, far from promoting family values, degrade the position of women and the meaning of marriage as an eternal promise of commitment to one's spouse. Let us start with the former: the position of women is being degraded by polygamous marriages as it is mostly men who have multiple wives - and it makes her vie for her husband's attention. If he grows tired of her, he simply moves on to another. That is wrong. Besides, it is a wrong interpretation of marriage altogether. Marriage is about love and commitment, about sharing your life. It is a bond between two people and it is supposed to be until death do us part. Call me old-fashioned if you will, but one has to ask whether those vows are still worth the same if either partner can simply marry another. And there's another issue of consent: if you share your life as completely as in marriage, adding another partner to your spouse without your consent will change your life without consent. For these reasons, let's stick to monogamy. It is far more becoming to think of marriage in this way. Lorentine Nordvik (FP) FP Member of Parliament |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to polygamy.
Old value:: Polygamous marriages are accorded equal recognition to monogamous marriages.
Current: The government does not recognise polygamous relationships.
Proposed: The government does not recognise polygamous relationships.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:05:09, August 24, 2015 CET | From |  Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen | To | Debating the Polygamous Marriage Moratorium, 3896 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker That is repression of the people, I should have the right to love how many men I want, two three, four, as four as everyone is okay and everyone is consensual, I believe I have right to have many men. the same thing goes to my brother and at the very leasts, his wives would know with who is he when he is not home, unlike those traditional values where the men are cheating their wife with a stranger. Strangely this is what happen in monogamous, a man is tired of his wive, so he quitn and establish a new relations with the, then he move from one woman to another. A true polygamous marriage only happen when then hubsband can think of all his wives at the same times. Nathalie Danielsson, Depute for the FKA |
| Date | 17:38:49, August 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Polygamous Marriage Moratorium, 3896 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, If you are not ready to commit to your spouse as totally as the vows say, perhaps you should stay single. There is already a provision in the traditional system for polyamorous relationships: do not marry and have as many partners as you like. The lady may love as many men (or women, if she is so inclined) as she wants. I do not deny that. I merely deny that one can sincerely commit as totally as matrimony demands to so many people. Marriage is not the same as romantic love. Romantic love is fleeting, but marriage is for life. Marriage is love plus commitment plus family. Lorentine Nordvik (FP) |
| Date | 18:28:57, August 24, 2015 CET | From | Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen | To | Debating the Polygamous Marriage Moratorium, 3896 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker The depute of the FP does not understand the meaning of love. as there difference between a polygamous and romantic relationships. he don't take these womqan for a few days, but for live too. Nathalie Danielsson, Depute for the FKA |
| Date | 18:56:48, August 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Polygamous Marriage Moratorium, 3896 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I put it to her that she is the one who does not understand the difference between love and marriage. There has to be love in a marriage, but love does not demand marriage. She can love as many men as she likes in my book, so long as she is married to none of them. The essence of marriage is that you can't put your spouse aside. You can in a polygamous marriage as you can only be with one, sexually speaking (since that is so clearly at the centre of her life). Unless she is suggesting that she can have a quartet or a quintet, but I emphatically do not want to know that if she does. |
| Date | 19:10:52, August 24, 2015 CET | From | Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen | To | Debating the Polygamous Marriage Moratorium, 3896 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker A polygamous marriage does not put one wife in center of one men's sexual life, it does not make on wife as the center of one man's live, it is an expression of love, that those people can not understand. if you do not understand what is polygamy, you have no business speaking of it. You don,t marry many women to be truly engaged to only, you marry many women to be truly engage and to truly love every single of them, Nathalie Danielsson, Depute for the FKA OOC : sorry for my mistakes... I know I make too much, |
| Date | 21:45:59, August 24, 2015 CET | From | Borgerlig-Demokratiske Union | To | Debating the Polygamous Marriage Moratorium, 3896 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, albeit we tend to agree with the notion that marriage is a not a term that can be applied to all forms of relationships, we disagree with having the government what is wrong and what is right in terms of romantic partnership. Claiming that polygamy is demeaning to women presupposes that all women have conservative preferences in terms of their relationships, which may be true for the majority but not for all. We continue to stand for the freedom of citizens to determine the structure of their relationships and the obligations that come with it autonomously, without being lectured about morality by legislators. Prof. Hans Granlund FV party leader |
| Date | 07:24:34, August 25, 2015 CET | From | Fria Kommunistiska Alliansen | To | Debating the Polygamous Marriage Moratorium, 3896 |
| Message | Mr Speaker The government is not the only source of oppression in our society, it have no place in my life, but I don't think anyone else then me and those I choose to love have place in my bedroom. Nathalie Danielsson, Depute for the FKA |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 48 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 91 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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