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Bill: Progressive Reform Bill - Abortion
Details
Submitted by[?]: Progressive Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2172
Description[?]:
| We find it unfathomable that a woman would be forced to keep a child that she cannot adequately care for or was the consequence of a rape. Under this Progressive legislation, abortions would still be allowed in the third trimester for any medical emergencies that threaten the life of the mother. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortions are only allowed in medical emergencies.
Current: Abortion is allowed during the first trimester.
Proposed: Abortion is allowed during the first and second trimesters.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:17:59, January 13, 2006 CET | From | Edelweiss Party | To | Debating the Progressive Reform Bill - Abortion |
| Message | "We find it unfathomable that a woman would be forced to keep a child that she cannot adequately care for or was the consequence of a rape." Are the regulations concerning adoption in this Nation so unfavourable? |
| Date | 20:20:31, January 13, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Progressive Reform Bill - Abortion |
| Message | Response to the Orange Movement Party: The regulations are not so unfavourable... but it is established fact that there are ALREADY more children awaiting adoption, than there are families waiting to adopt. |
| Date | 21:43:04, January 13, 2006 CET | From | Edelweiss Party | To | Debating the Progressive Reform Bill - Abortion |
| Message | What does not imply that we are about to liberalize abortion regulations in order to be able to execute more, even when it is due and act of "the consequence of a rape" ? |
| Date | 23:20:24, January 13, 2006 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Progressive Reform Bill - Abortion |
| Message | There is a possibility of us not voting against an abortion bill that allows it in the first trimester, but anything longer than 12 weeks we are against. |
| Date | 04:29:08, January 14, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Progressive Reform Bill - Abortion |
| Message | If the Progressive Party wishes to change this proposal to the first trimester, that might be enough to secure the attentions of the Conservative Party. The AAS is willing to endorse either method, as a step in the right direction. |
| Date | 08:58:26, January 14, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Progressive Reform Bill - Abortion |
| Message | TOTAL will not support this proposal. |
| Date | 14:46:42, January 16, 2006 CET | From | Proletariat Revolution Party | To | Debating the Progressive Reform Bill - Abortion |
| Message | Even as liberal as SLP is, we find it goes a little too far. |
| Date | 18:32:01, January 16, 2006 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Progressive Reform Bill - Abortion |
| Message | RLP cannot support this proposal, as the right to life is the most basic of human rights. |
| Date | 20:38:40, January 16, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Progressive Reform Bill - Abortion |
| Message | The AAS wonders why certain parties consistently tout 'the right to life'. There IS no 'right to life'. Try explaining your 'right to life' to a shark, as it munches your head. |
| Date | 22:13:49, January 16, 2006 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Progressive Reform Bill - Abortion |
| Message | By that standard, there are no rights at all. We are trying to make a government with a higher sense of morality than a shark's. Our statement about the right to life is in regards to other people taking your life without your consent, just as the right to property protects ypur property against robbey but not against an earthquake sending your house into the sea. |
| Date | 22:44:36, January 16, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Progressive Reform Bill - Abortion |
| Message | The RLP is, in effect, making our argument for us. The ONLY 'rights' that a citizens can claim, are those that are protected by his society. The society cannot protect the citizen against the earthquake, but it CAN protect him against the thief... thus, the government can grant a 'right' to ownership of property... WITHIN the confines of that society. The 'right to life', therefore, is JUST what is allowed by the government. If the government allows citizens to make and 'enforce' a 'right to life', then the citizen HAS that right. On the other hand, if the government chooses NOT to support that 'right', the citizen has NO inalienable ability to 'enforce' it. In the case of abortion, the 'right to life' is whatever the government allows... thus, arguing aborting is wrong, BECAUSE of a 'right to life' is circular and nonsensical. No clearer example is needed, than a miscarriage.... the 'right to life' of the foetus counts for nothing when it is unceremoniously dumped from the uterus. |
| Date | 07:55:55, January 17, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Progressive Reform Bill - Abortion |
| Message | Until it can be demonstrated that life does not exist in the womb until 'x' months, it must be assumed life exists from the moment of conception. Under that premise, any abortion is murder. |
| Date | 14:25:08, January 17, 2006 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Progressive Reform Bill - Abortion |
| Message | In response to the AAS: Perhaps my language was a bit imprecise, I realize. What I meant was that society SHOULD be protecting the right to life, just as it SHOULD protect the right to hold property, the right of free speach, etc. I agree that these rights exist only in so far as the soceity granst them, but a just society will grant them. |
| Date | 00:06:36, January 18, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Progressive Reform Bill - Abortion |
| Message | TOTAL thanks so many parties for disallowing this legislation. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 158 | ||||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 342 | ||||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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