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Bill: RP Bill: Ban on Ethnic and Religious Parties
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kālistān Janatā Dal
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 3906
Description[?]:
| Mr. Speaker, Kalistan takes great pride in her long-standing tradition of keeping ethnicity and religion out of politics. Most of out citizens are loyal to their nation first, and only then to their religious tradition, ancestry, and heritage. And yet, Kalistani tradition of openness and tolerance is constantly under threat from internal and external forces, which seek to politicize ethnicity and religion for their own Fascist goals. In light of that, the People's Imperial Council makes it clear that Kalistanis are, above all, Kalistanis, and hereby bans all political parties and organizations founded on particularistic principles. Should this bill pass with a constitutional (2/3) majority, the following political parties and organizations are banned: * parties openly or covertly seeking the supremacy of a single ethnic, racial, or religious group; * parties openly or covertly promoting the interests of a single ethnic, racial, or religious group to the detriment of all others; * parties using religious beliefs to political ends; * parties openly or covertly seeking the violent seizure of state power, except for legitimate rebellion against tyranny. This provision shall be enforced by the Legislative of Kalistan. If a political organization is found guilty of violating the principles of this bill, it is to be disbanded immediately. This bill can be revoked with constitutional majority. Neha Kaur Chopra Chairwoman of the People's Party of Kalistan OOC: This is an RP law as per the rules of the game (http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6363), specifically rules 10 and 11. If this passes, it will be enforced by Moderation. This bill will in effect ban the use of ethnic or religious demographics for political goals, forcing all players to adopt the long-standing Kalistani tradition of having a primarily political (as opposed to ethnic) culture. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:19:34, September 08, 2015 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the RP Bill: Ban on Ethnic and Religious Parties |
| Message | The Leader of the Socialist Party's Shadow Government, in non-voting observer status rises to Address the comments of the Chairwoman: Comrades- The Socialist Party expects that it will receive seats in the coming election, and therefore, we would ask the People's Party to delay the movement of this bill to a vote until after the election. That said- our thoughts on the matter are 1) If this passes, we should enter it into a set of standing RP rules for this country. It appears that our sticky bill on the matter no longer exists, so this is something we will need to recreate. 2) Would this bill specifically ban the Chairwoman's Party? We understand that the ideology of the Party is not particularly ethnic, but we have not yet clarified the cultural situation in Kalistan, and therefore, since this is an ongoing discussion, it raises the question. 3) We ask if this bill is explicitly designed to deny or restrict religious liberty in any way? We ask because it is well documented that in the history of Kalistan, religious Parties have risen to power and have occasionally worked for progressive change as a function of their religious dogma. We certainly would not want to discourage those groups from feeling free to participate, as such in Kalistan's democracy, provided that they do it in a secular fashion. It is only those who seek to create Kalistan as a theocracy who the SP would oppose. and 4) We would take issue with provision 4 of this Bill. While the SP is a party of legitimate political change, there are acknowledged times in our nation's history where Parties, the SP included have called up militias to defend liberty from fascist encroachment, and even, I can barely describe it, but fascists capturing control of the majority of the seats in the National Government through democratic means. At those times, it is the duty of all those who love liberty to stand up and defend that liberty, even at the cost of their own blood. The SP honors all those who died in the defense of liberty- it was that militant defense, even to the point of civil war, which ensured that democracy would continue in this nation to this day. Therefore, we would oppose such a proposal, because it would deny, explicitly, the SP's ability to fight against a tyrannical and corrupt regime. Is there a way to amend this, which protects both individual's rights to carry weapons for the security of Liberty in this state, as well as extra-legitimate actors, like Party militias, to rise when needed? We thank you chairwoman for advancing this proposal, and appreciate her attention to our concerns. |
| Date | 13:51:27, September 09, 2015 CET | From | Kālistān Janatā Dal | To | Debating the RP Bill: Ban on Ethnic and Religious Parties |
| Message | OOC: I'll address this OOCly, since your comment seems to address OOC issues more. 1) If it passes it should definitely be posted on the nation page, as it won't be enforced by Moderation otherwise. 2) ICly, my party would vehemently deny being in any way based on ethnicity or religion, but I suppose it could be accused of that. If need be, I will support a ban on my own party as a show of good faith. 3) It would not restrict parties campaigning for wider religious freedom, or parties whose ideology is indirectly based on religious considerations, but it would force them to frame their arguments within a secular context. If a party would seek a ban on abortions, for instance, they won't be able to argue that abortion is bad because fetuses have a soul and is therefore immoral from the point of view of religion X. 4) An amendment to that provision could be added, allowing legitimate rebellion should Kalistan become a dictatorship. |
| Date | 14:54:34, September 09, 2015 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the RP Bill: Ban on Ethnic and Religious Parties |
| Message | 2) The SP certainly would not support a ban on your Party. The reason we asked was because your Party's name is in Punjabi, though we are aware that it translates to PPK. The only thing that would be unclear to us is if your Party would support draw support from one section of the country's population, the Punjabi speaking section. That was where our question was aiming. And then, if so, would that run your Party afoul of this act? |
| Date | 14:55:00, September 09, 2015 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the RP Bill: Ban on Ethnic and Religious Parties |
| Message | As to the other points, we are satisfied. |
| Date | 09:23:28, September 10, 2015 CET | From | Kālistān Janatā Dal | To | Debating the RP Bill: Ban on Ethnic and Religious Parties |
| Message | OOC: Well ultimately, yes, my Party would be in violation of this act, at least according to one interpretation of it (seeing that it does covertly promote the interests of a specific demographic, but more as a reaction to another party openly doing the same for another demographic, i.e. the now disbanded Justice Party). Added an amendment allowing violent rebellion against dictatorial regimes. |
| Date | 14:06:45, September 10, 2015 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the RP Bill: Ban on Ethnic and Religious Parties |
| Message | We will support. |
| Date | 02:09:48, September 11, 2015 CET | From | Revolutionary Freedom Party -- KEG SLAM | To | Debating the RP Bill: Ban on Ethnic and Religious Parties |
| Message | Okay, how we handle KJD (you're officially Kalistani, now, we're referring to you by initials :-) ) 's party being in conflict with this ruling? Because, it does currently at least straddle the line between a cultural movement party and a religious/ethnic party. |
| Date | 02:10:01, September 11, 2015 CET | From | Revolutionary Freedom Party -- KEG SLAM | To | Debating the RP Bill: Ban on Ethnic and Religious Parties |
| Message | And we support |
| Date | 06:40:12, September 11, 2015 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the RP Bill: Ban on Ethnic and Religious Parties |
| Message | In the event that this Bill passes, I would likely ask President Williams to convene a Constitutional Court, for the purpose of developing precedent under this law. In the case of KJD, I would prefer that KJD be granted an exception to this Law while we work out the CP. As KJD represents the main Anantanese speaking Party, and Kalistan has been undergoing a revival of traditional Kalistani and Anantanese cultural heritage over the last century, KJD appears to represent a genuine and significant constituency, and with KJD in the Government, as a cultural Party, perhaps the Constitutional Court may find that representations of cultural movements (as opposed to ethnic supremacy, which seems to be what this bill aims to limit), we could ensure that the cultural development of Kalistan continues without significant conflict or strife, and those who are identifying with the Culture continue to be assured that they have a real place in Kalistani society. |
| Date | 09:41:27, September 11, 2015 CET | From | Kālistān Janatā Dal | To | Debating the RP Bill: Ban on Ethnic and Religious Parties |
| Message | OOC: Well my party seeks to implement this bill so that parties like the Justice Party, that campaigned for the implementation of a form of Pashtunwali, could not rise again. We see ourselves as nothing else that true Kalistanis, and our use of Anantonese is justified primarily in symbolic terms (Luthori is the language of many nations, including the vile Imperialists and Fascists in Luthori, but nobody speaks Anantonese outside Kalistan). If my party were to be brought to trial on the grounds of this bill, they would claim they are not promoting the interests of Anantonese-speakers any more than the RFP and SPoK are promoting those of Luthori-speakers. In fact, Anantonese is simply the main language in which we provide our party name, but we officially use 8 others (all visible on my party page). It would be funny though if my party ended up banned as a result of its own bill. |
| Date | 14:33:20, September 11, 2015 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the RP Bill: Ban on Ethnic and Religious Parties |
| Message | OOC: It wouldn't be a trial, per se, but to establish RPed precedent which makes the distinction between ethnic and culturally based Parties. My lawyers would join your defense, arguing on the above grounds ^. :) |
| Date | 22:19:21, September 11, 2015 CET | From | Revolutionary Freedom Party -- KEG SLAM | To | Debating the RP Bill: Ban on Ethnic and Religious Parties |
| Message | We can settle any problems with the current parties though the COnstitutional Court |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 750 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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