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Bill: Illegal aliens Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Høyre (Right Vote!)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 3912
Description[?]:
| We need to stop illegal immigration by expeling illegal immigrants from the country. With that we will send a message to others that the only way to enter the country the legal. Illegal immigrants are a burden to the economy, they do not pay taxes. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change
The government's stance on illegal aliens.
Old value:: The government does not actively search for illegal aliens, but expels them from the country when discovered.
Current: The government does not actively search for illegal aliens, but puts them in integration centers when discovered.
Proposed: The government actively searches houses for illegal aliens and expels them from the country.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:52:33, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Illegal aliens Act |
| Message | Herr President, The government recently cut the Justice budget, as I'm sure they are well aware. I'm sure many of my colleagues will be as interested as myself to know about this: how does the government intend to fund this policy of actively searching high and low for illegal aliens with the intent to expel them? Jonathan Groven (FP - Dreton) Justice Spokesman |
| Date | 14:58:24, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Høyre (Right Vote!) | To | Debating the Illegal aliens Act |
| Message | Herr President, This measure is much cheaper than that they illegally live and work in this country and not pay taxes. In the next budget revision will provide the funding for this. Eiríkur Ármannsson Minister of Defence |
| Date | 15:05:08, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Illegal aliens Act |
| Message | Herr President, Does the Minister have the facts to back up that claim? Because we're not talking a few operations here and there. We're talking scouring our streets for people who may have broken our laws but who certainly are not criminals. In addition, unless the government intends to conjure up more money like a rabbit out of a top hat, this is going to take police resources away from keeping our streets safe, patrolling and solving the crimes that really matter. I'll just say it: I think the police has better things to do with its time than pursuing people who are in a desperate situation, often lacking humane standards of living and working at very low wages. Sure, they are not legally allowed to reside in Kazulia, but does that entitle us to use police resources to hunt them down, thus depriving them of their human dignity even further? This policy diverts police attention from the real criminals and it is quite frankly inhumane. Folkepartiet opposes it utterly. Jonathan Groven (FP - Dreton) Justice Spokesman |
| Date | 15:13:16, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Høyre (Right Vote!) | To | Debating the Illegal aliens Act |
| Message | Herr President, How Mr. Groven calles people who illegally enter the country and not pay taxes if they are not criminals? Among illegal immigrants can be terrorists, is it not the safety of our citizens first. Eiríkur Ármannsson Minister of Defence |
| Date | 15:16:10, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Borgerlig-Demokratiske Union | To | Debating the Illegal aliens Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, how does the hon. lady know that these people are "certainly not criminals"? The long-standing open borders policy where everyone could freely immigrate into the country without any restrictions means that, besides legitimate refugees and people looking to better their lives through hard work, less well-meaning forces might have used our naive policies to funnel terrorists, radicals and violent criminals looking to undermine our political system into Kazulmark. We should not pretend that this possibility does not exist. Erwin Schausberger (FV) Minister of Foreign Affairs |
| Date | 15:20:54, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Illegal aliens Act |
| Message | Herr President, That is quite short-sighted. The overwhelming majority of illegal aliens - and I call them no name but that - are simply helpless, poor souls who for some reason or other feel forced to live illegally in our country. They are decent folk, even though they break the law, and I do not call them criminals because they are not unless they commit a crime. Breaking a law does not a crime make. There may very well be terrorists among Kazulian citizens - that does not make it just to introduce 24/7 surveillance of them either, does it? The fact of the matter is that this is malignant symbol politics to appease Sivilisasjonspartiet and its twisted version of Hosianism in which "love thy neighbour as thyself" is qualified with "... unless he is not of thy people". If you want to go after terrorists, let the police go after terrorists. I guarantee you it will be more successful than this ill-advised and inhumane policy. Jonathan Groven (FP-Dreton) Justice Spokesperson |
| Date | 15:30:14, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Høyre (Right Vote!) | To | Debating the Illegal aliens Act |
| Message | Herr President, Does Mr. Groven want to say that our citizens must abide by the laws and illegal immigrants do not. If a person who illegally entered the country you do not call a criminal, how would you call a person who does not pay taxes. For you is obviously normal that our citizens pay taxes and illegal immigrants do not. Illegal immigrants are in this country, a question of national security. Eiríkur Ármannsson Minister of Defence |
| Date | 15:35:10, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Borgerlig-Demokratiske Union | To | Debating the Illegal aliens Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, the hon. gentleman (Groven) is making assumptions about illegal immigrants without knowing who they are. We know that the majority of Kazulian people are law-abiding people because they are demonstrating it on a daily basis. We do not know anything about illegal immigrants because we frankly do not know who they are as they operate in the dark. No ne is talking about 24-7 surveillance, but a hands-off approach is certainly not the right way to tackle this problem. If you have an unregistered group of people in your country who hide their identitiy and intention, then there is a good case to be made for considering this situation a danger to our national security. Erwin Schausberger (FV) Minister of Foreign Affairs |
| Date | 15:36:29, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Illegal aliens Act |
| Message | Herr President, All I'm saying is we should beware of causing inflation of the term "criminal". I do not approve of illegally entering the country, nor of not paying taxes - something I'm not quite sure is true among parties with richer clientele like the gentleman's -, but at least I have the decency to understand their plight rather than stigmatise these people. Do I think they should be deported? Certainly. But I don't think this witch hunt serves the cause of public justice. As for the insistence by Herr Gulbrandsen that these people don't pay their taxes, that's only logical as we do not know they are here and would not approve if we knew. He can hardly expect them to be here illegally but choose to pay our taxes, so he shouldn't depict it as some criminal outlaw lifestyle choice. Jonathan Groven (FP-Dreton) Justice Spokesman |
| Date | 15:42:32, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Borgerlig-Demokratiske Union | To | Debating the Illegal aliens Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, but how does the hon. gentleman expect the current law to work? It only allows for dealing with the problem at hand if an illegal immigrant is either discovered by chance or comes forward to reveal himself. It is a bit of a toothless law, doesn't he think? Erwin Schausberger (FV) Minister of Foreign Affairs |
| Date | 15:45:58, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Illegal aliens Act |
| Message | Herr President, Herr Schausberger is very much exaggerating the stringency of the present law. It isn't current policy not to enforce the laws on illegal aliens - merely not to spend police resources on actively searching for them. I am convinced that the current law still allows the police to act on reasonable suspicion of illegal presence in Kazulmark or on hints to that effect. I'm not quite sure the proposed change will amount to more than an expensive publicity stunt to court SP. Jonathan Groven (FP-Dreton) Justice Spokesman |
| Date | 20:28:33, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Venstre | To | Debating the Illegal aliens Act |
| Message | Herr President, Venstre seconds the objections of Mr Groven, as well as the entirety of increasingly authoritarian policies in this field being advocated by the Government. The Government's hostility to people wanting to make Kazulmark their home live a decent life here seems only to be matched by its hostility towards the poor in general. Peter Nordensköld Internal Affairs Spokesman |
| Date | 21:33:23, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Borgerlig-Demokratiske Union | To | Debating the Illegal aliens Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, contrary to Venstre, which is part of the fiscal crusade against the ordinary Kazulian taxpayer, this government does not believe in exposing to put our country forward to the world as a global welfare center which will hand out cash and passports to everyone who happens to come by. Erwin Schausberger (FV) Minister of Foreign Affairs |
| Date | 21:34:34, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Borgerlig-Demokratiske Union | To | Debating the Illegal aliens Act |
| Message | OOC: correction: the words "in exposing" should be removed from the above post, I originally intended to insert an additional sentence of which they were part of. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 68 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 71 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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