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Bill: Opiumsloven, 3912 (Opiates Act, 3912)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Folkepartiet (People's Party)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 3913
Description[?]:
| A BILL to restrict the sale of certain recreational drugs |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The recreational drug policy.
Old value:: All naturally occurring drugs are legal.
Current: All naturally occurring drugs are legal.
Proposed: The use of cannabis is legal.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:32:59, September 25, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet | To | Debating the Opiumsloven, 3912 (Opiates Act, 3912) |
| Message | Herr President, SF will absolutely wholeheartedly reject this bill, as I hope a majority of Stortinget will also do so. We know from research and previous experience the effect that criminalisation of drug use does. It drives up death rates, it drives up crime rates and it leads to a black market over which the state will have absolutely no ability to regulate. At the current moment, we can ensure that the drugs entering our citizen's bodies will not kill them, we make sure the profits do not go into the pockets of criminals, and we do not criminalise people for taking substances which - let's be honest - are often times less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco. For the safety of our citizens, this bill must be struck down. Hanna Kristiansen SF Deputy Leader |
| Date | 13:36:57, September 25, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Opiumsloven, 3912 (Opiates Act, 3912) |
| Message | Herr President, On the 4th of March, 3912, Jonas Olsen, one of my constituents, was taken away from his family at the tragic young age of 27 after he had jumped off the tower of the local church. The autopsy revealed that he had been using psychedelic mushrooms which induced in him the delusion that he could fly. Jonas is not an isolated case. Since naturally-occurring drugs were legalised and nationalised, the number of young people dying because of the abuse of such drugs has risen alarmingly. It is becoming painfully clear that these substances are harmful and causing grief in many families. Not all as final and terrible as the Olsen family's grief, but grief nonetheless. Not all that is natural is healthy, put quite bluntly. As they say in my profession, "solum dosis facet venemum", but in some cases, that dose is alarmingly small. The very least we can do is prohibit the use of these drugs and save families up and down Kazulia from further grief. Janne-Katrine Juel (FP - Dreton) Health Spokesperson |
| Date | 13:37:58, September 25, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Opiumsloven, 3912 (Opiates Act, 3912) |
| Message | (OOC: I thought again about how tolerant the current FP leadership generally is, despite being conservative, and I decided in the midst of writing Janne-Katrine Juel's speech against opting for a total ban. I hope we can all grandfather the fact that it's now simply about banning everything except for cannabis.) |
| Date | 13:42:51, September 25, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet | To | Debating the Opiumsloven, 3912 (Opiates Act, 3912) |
| Message | Herr President, While I respect the opinion of the spokesperson from FP, and certainly join her in condolences to the young gentleman's family, I'm afraid that similar statistics could be drawn from any number of activities. From the consumption of alcohol, which causes ruckuses every weekend in our town centres, from the use of cars. The simple fact is, people are going to try these substances. The best that we can do by our citizens is to allow and regulate their use, while informing our people as well as possible - through information campaigns - about the dangers. Beyond that, what more can we truly do to keep our people safe? This bill will certainly not do so, merely make our nation more dangerous. I can assure my friend from FP that the numbers of deaths shall grow is this bill is introduced into law. Hanna Kristiansen SF Deputy Leader |
| Date | 13:43:20, September 25, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Opiumsloven, 3912 (Opiates Act, 3912) |
| Message | Herr President, I rise on a personal basis to express my gratitude to colleague Juel for introducing this bill. However, and hence the fact that I'm rising on a personal basis, I believe it doesn't go nearly far enough. Legalising and nationalising any recreational drug is tantamount - if the House will pardon a moment of outspokenness - to making government profit off the grief of millions of Kazulian families. It isn't just psychedelic mushrooms - cannabis, too, should be banned, for there is a sizeable body of research and quite frankly good old common sense suggesting it is a gateway to less legal and more harmful substances altogether. I imagine this won't be popular with the left altogether, but it had to be said. And to pre-empt the tired old critique of views like mine born of their "anything goes" stance: there's nothing wrong with a *cough* good smoke. Lindar Reimarsson (FP - Agatha) (OOC: Lindar is perhaps the most conservative of the Folkepartiet MPs, so don't be surprised.) |
| Date | 13:43:51, September 25, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet | To | Debating the Opiumsloven, 3912 (Opiates Act, 3912) |
| Message | Herr President, While I respect the opinion of the spokesperson from FP, and certainly join her in condolences to the young gentleman's family, I'm afraid that similar statistics could be drawn from any number of activities. From the consumption of alcohol, which causes ruckuses every weekend in our town centres, from the use of cars. The simple fact is, people are going to try these substances. The best that we can do by our citizens is to allow and regulate their use, while informing our people as well as possible - through information campaigns - about the dangers. Beyond that, what more can we truly do to keep our people safe? This bill will certainly not do so, merely make our nation more dangerous. I can assure my friend from FP that the numbers of deaths shall grow is this bill is introduced into law. Hanna Kristiansen SF Deputy Leader |
| Date | 13:44:59, September 25, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet | To | Debating the Opiumsloven, 3912 (Opiates Act, 3912) |
| Message | OOC: whoops to random double post |
| Date | 13:53:00, September 25, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Opiumsloven, 3912 (Opiates Act, 3912) |
| Message | Herr President, I'm sure Ms Kristiansen is acquainted with the Hippocratic Oath: legality and regulation doesn't change a thing about the duty of doctors to help, in all confidentiality and trust, those who have taken those substances. What I want to do is prevent these things from happening in the first place - and in such cases, it definitely doesn't help if the state sends the mixed message that "it might be dangerous, but it's okay". There's a cultural difference between alcohol and tobacco on the one hand and drugs on the other and the difference is the body of tradition that gives responsibility a prominent place in their consumption. Most Kazulians have no problem enjoying alcohol in moderation (and the harmful effects of a glass a day, I should note, are in dispute), precisely because alcohol has a long tradition since the mead halls of the Middle Ages and even before that, during which its image was formed. Alcohol, to most young Kazulians, is ordinary, it isn't cool or experimental. And that's precisely why alcohol doesn't give the kind of problems these mushrooms do give: these are cool, experimental. No matter how much we emphasise how harmful they are, we haven't been able to make the case to enjoy them responsibly. Doesn't that say enough? For the record: I have given the matter a lot of thought and I'm not sure I agree with colleague Reimarsson. Certainly not on his statement that there's nothing wrong with a "good smoke", and not, though I disapprove of cannabis usage, on his position on cannabis. Janne-Katrine Juel (FP - Dreton) Health Spokesperson |
| Date | 17:40:40, September 25, 2015 CET | From | Borgerlig-Demokratiske Union | To | Debating the Opiumsloven, 3912 (Opiates Act, 3912) |
| Message | Mr Speaker, if the appeal to tradition is considered a legitimate argument to draw an arbitray line between the consumption of drugs and alcohol/tobacco then we might as well point out that consumption of the latter is part of the tradition of certain milieus as well. Psychedelic mushrooms, for example, have been used for ceremonial purposes in the Vardic pagan religion for a long time. Combatting individual abuse by taking substances away from everyone else is not the right way to approach this issue. Cecilia Hoyland (FV) Minister of Health and Social Services |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 31 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 108 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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