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Bill: OOC: Discussion on the Continuation of Current RP
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Brotherhood for Prosperity
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 3972
Description[?]:
| Well it seems we have hit a roadblock with this RP. I think it would be shitty to completely throw this whole situation out, so I think we need to spin it a bit. Anyone have any ideas? |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:53:20, October 14, 2015 CET | From |  Communist Party of Rutania | To | Debating the OOC: Discussion on the Continuation of Current RP |
| Message | Well, I haven't any idea at the moment on how to sort this out but to bring up your point made elsewhere that the CPR weren't in government and therefore the RP wasn't organised well: we were actually in a minority government with the Progressives. The set-up worked because there was no unified right-wing opposition, and that there was a relatively stable left-wing cooperation in place. I assumed the constant remarks of a "communist government" was more of a catch-all term for both myself and the Progressives. An election would obviously have happened in 3924, but that would have given us considerable time to have got the RP moving and fully aware and prepared for when the election did occur. It would have been easy then for the losing side in the election to simply claim the election was a rigged one (And seeing as it would have been done in civil unrest/war, it would have been an expected and acceptable line to take). But now the Liberal Party is 21 seats short of a majority and has formed a government that excludes both ends of extremism. It will seem very forced for everyone to just say "oh it was rigged" when the winner was a party that hasn't as yet introduced RP as to how the Liberal Party could have pulled it off. When I initially said that if you're RP affects another party then they should be informed first if they agree, perhaps I should have made it clearer that that does also include spontaneous elections and new cabinets. |
| Date | 03:50:55, October 14, 2015 CET | From | United Nationalists | To | Debating the OOC: Discussion on the Continuation of Current RP |
| Message | We agreed to it, Me and the CPR had plans for a civil war. |
| Date | 04:08:12, October 14, 2015 CET | From | Dundorf kaiserlichen Liberalen Partei | To | Debating the OOC: Discussion on the Continuation of Current RP |
| Message | Dundorf being a conservative regime at the moment would have supported all right-winged parties involved. If the Progressives and the CPR both used their power to block UN's support from Dundorf would have lead to our governments being either deep in war or have the best proxy war ever. I tried to create a better back story after the early election by calling the CPR a terrorist organization. Not sure what side the NBP was on I also claimed they were part of the CPR and were terrorist as well. After the new cabinet took position I became lost as it looked like I was trying to bring down a fellow conservative. Btw NBP, I do apologize for falsely branding your party as terrorists. I love RPs and have no problem doing this with y'all because you're pretty cool, but we gotta plan this all out. -RichardLV |
| Date | 23:13:47, October 14, 2015 CET | From | Dundorfische Nationale Volkspartei | To | Debating the OOC: Discussion on the Continuation of Current RP |
| Message | Well as I'm apart of the Dundorfian military established and the one who outfitted the United Nationalists and trained them some up a bit I'll weigh in. All Military RolePlays NEED to be planned ahead of time. At the very least an OOC agreement between the sides involved has to be reached on what the general ending will be, though the middle is open to interpretation. Even the ending is open to debate as long as the possible endings have been hashed out and agreed upon before hand. This is key. I am definitely interested in continuing this, however since the Liberals took power I think this should turn more to a more low key engagement solely between the Communists and United Nationalists until the next election and see what the results are... as it is the United Nationalists are actually the second largest party in Rutania while the Communists are the smallest with seats... plus the Communists attacked first.. Dundorf wants to involve itself because of this blatant attack. However to be involved even if your parties don't agree IC that Dundorf can be involved, OOC it needs to be agreed we are allowed. That way even if IC you voted against the proposal then any intervention we do end up doing looks more like an invasion or pre-emptive thing, rather then something authorized and encouraged by the government. |
| Date | 23:36:18, October 14, 2015 CET | From | National Brotherhood for Prosperity | To | Debating the OOC: Discussion on the Continuation of Current RP |
| Message | I agree that the RP should continue as a CPR and UN conflict, with the government attempting to resolve the conflict. I think the two extremes should continue to clash, while the moderate government tries to keep the situation under control, then we will see where it goes from there. |
| Date | 00:22:29, October 15, 2015 CET | From | Alternative | To | Debating the OOC: Discussion on the Continuation of Current RP |
| Message | So in terms of international involvement there will be none, correct? I just need to know what to update the rest of Luthori with as we are currently in limbo of what's going on. |
| Date | 00:49:06, October 15, 2015 CET | From | Dundorf kaiserlichen Liberalen Partei | To | Debating the OOC: Discussion on the Continuation of Current RP |
| Message | I mean with no international involvement then the UN would not have Dundorfian training which would make them a ragtag military group. Which also means the government could stop both sides rather quickly. |
| Date | 04:08:36, October 15, 2015 CET | From | National Brotherhood for Prosperity | To | Debating the OOC: Discussion on the Continuation of Current RP |
| Message | I do not see why international involvement should be ruled out. Dundorf has had an active role from the start, and I had hoped Luthori would play a pro-government role by issuing some sort of statement to Dundorf that warns them not to get involved. Luthori would act as a balancing nation because their threat to Dundorf would make Dundorf hesitant to fully enter any sort of conflict that may arise out of this unrest. The Rutanian government would try to keep the unrest under control, while the UN and CPR continue to incite violence. Luthori would aid and defend the democratically elected government, while Dundorf backed the UN. I think it would make for a good RP, a cold war of sorts between moderate Luthori and the moderate Rutanian government, right-wing Dundorf and the militant UN, and of course the Left-wing Progressives and communists. I think this 3 way cold war would be interesting. Of course if the communists/progressive retake control of government things could change. |
| Date | 06:42:15, October 15, 2015 CET | From | Dundorf kaiserlichen Liberalen Partei | To | Debating the OOC: Discussion on the Continuation of Current RP |
| Message | I am all for your idea, but there would have to be no wars declared between the three nations or their allies. Any war between Dundorf and Luthori would be one sided logically. Luthori is a major empire while Dundorf is...... Dundorf, lol. |
| Date | 11:34:37, October 15, 2015 CET | From | Dundorfische Nationale Volkspartei | To | Debating the OOC: Discussion on the Continuation of Current RP |
| Message | I also wouldn't call Luthori moderate lol...they support Conservative governments as they assume that's what tje Liberals and National Brotherhood are... like us they despise the Communists. And Dundorf isn't backing thr United Nationalists against the Democratically elected current Coalition btw, merely against any possible Communist/Progressive government and Coalition and aggression. If the UN went from merely defending itself against the Communists to attacking the government I at least wouldn't keep supporting them...unless they for whatever reason started getting attacked by the government firdt. Then we'd be ticked |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||||||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 500 |
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