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Bill: Reducing Bureacracy
Details
Submitted by[?]: Opinion Poll Vultures
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2056
Description[?]:
| Noting the extremely high number of seats in the legislature, which we feel is unnecessary for doing business, after all 599 votes take a long time to count, we feel that the legislature should be scaled down to 499 seats. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The total number of seats in the legislative assembly. Should be between 75 and 750.
Old value:: 599
Current: 650
Proposed: 499
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:55:32, May 21, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | the more people there are in te legislature, the better representation there will be. i'm fine with 599 |
| Date | 01:02:19, May 21, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | The people do not want bureacracy. |
| Date | 01:13:57, May 21, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | i'm guessing that's why they voted the least beaurocratic party in second to last place, right? |
| Date | 01:16:06, May 21, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | opps, looking at old data: make that fourth to last |
| Date | 01:22:37, May 21, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | Check the polls yourself. The people do not support bureacracy. You can oppose this legislation all you want, eventually the voice of the people will overcome. |
| Date | 01:39:42, May 21, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | "Big" and "Small" governments are not measures of size, they are measures of power. you could have one person in government making all the decisions, but that doesn't make a "small" government if they have complete control. Returning personal freedom and responsability are all aspects of a small government, NOT giving personal control to ANY part of the government (local or otherwise) |
| Date | 05:41:38, May 21, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | We're glad to see that the NFP has no idea what we're talking about. |
| Date | 15:04:29, May 21, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | Hey! We came up with 599, and we like 599. We will not back this bill. We believe that now the people of this country have more representation, so ALL of the people are represented. |
| Date | 17:11:25, May 21, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | So long as there are seats from each commune the people have representation. 599 seats is far far too many for only 40 million people, it is inefficient. |
| Date | 18:17:51, May 21, 2005 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | against |
| Date | 21:20:44, May 21, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | OOC: In many countries with populations our size, they have about the same amount of seats or MORE! France, for example. |
| Date | 23:57:19, May 21, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | ooc: france also loves bureacracy :D, im basing this on the poll that says the people strongly favor autocracy over democracy, now its impossible to have an autocratic nation on here...but what that means basically is they prefer their legislature to be small and have long terms ;) |
| Date | 18:10:02, May 22, 2005 CET | From | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | The NDP believes more seats gives a better representation of the peoples votes, thus we vote against. |
| Date | 20:49:14, May 22, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | The idea of a representative democracy is that there are simply too many people for every single person to have a vote on every single bill. Representative democracy is the best solution for a large population, but only with an efficient and logical ratio of representatives to voters. 599 representatives and 40 million citizens means roughly 66,000 citizens per representative...there is no need for such a small area of representation! ooc: representatives in america generally have 500,000 people under them :P |
| Date | 23:52:34, May 22, 2005 CET | From | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | We would prefer a round number of 500. |
| Date | 01:17:02, May 23, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | we already argued against a round number, in order to prevent ties from happening. |
| Date | 04:33:07, May 23, 2005 CET | From | To | Debating the Reducing Bureacracy |
| Message | Fine, 499 then. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 176 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 394 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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