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Bill: A Democratic Framework
Details
Submitted by[?]: Aurora Libertatis
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 3933
Description[?]:
| The nation shall change name to "Pnték Jeznyfkaiék Hldjogad (Pontesian Dynastic Commonwealth)". |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:46:57, November 02, 2015 CET | From |  Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry' | To | Debating the A Democratic Framework |
| Message | OOC: I've been told! Your translation is pretty much the best that can be done. The formula lends itself to "Grshokai" for "community" which sounds like a "kai" (people) suffix being added. Tempted to elide it to "Grsh'kai". I'll add that to the next dictionary version. "Pnték Taghék Grsh'kai (Federated Communities of Pontesi)" or "Pnték Taghék Grshokai (Federated Communities of Pontesi)" An alternative would be to take "-stat" (state) with Taghe to make "Taghestat" ("Federation") out of "Taghék" ("Federal"): "Pnték Taghestat" or "Pnték Grshokaiék Taghestat (Pontesian Communities Federation)" Perhaps it would be better translated as Commonwealth, for fear of invoking old glories... |
| Date | 13:00:04, November 02, 2015 CET | From | Aurora Libertatis | To | Debating the A Democratic Framework |
| Message | OOC: Thanks! While I do like "Pnték Taghék Grsh'kai (Federated Communities of Pontesi)" as it has a nice orginality to it, I wouldn't mind "Pnték Taghestat (Commonwealth of Pontesi)". I'll support whatever the others like. |
| Date | 17:01:25, November 02, 2015 CET | From | Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry' | To | Debating the A Democratic Framework |
| Message | OOC: For reference, we're one step removed from the old PDC name, which would be "Pnték Jeznyfkaiék Taghestat (Pontesian Dynastic Commonwealth)" (lit., Pontesian Grand-Family's Commonwealth). |
| Date | 13:25:09, November 03, 2015 CET | From | Aurora Libertatis | To | Debating the A Democratic Framework |
| Message | OOC: Your dictionary translates "Commonwealth" into "Hldjogad". What do you prefer? |
| Date | 16:39:14, November 03, 2015 CET | From | Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry' | To | Debating the A Democratic Framework |
| Message | OOC: Wow. Completely missed that despite searching. Derp. "Hldjogad" is the correct word so we'll keep "Taghestat" as "Federation". Suggest: "Pnték Jeznyfkaiék Hldjogad (Pontesian Dynastic Commonwealth)". |
| Date | 11:34:15, November 04, 2015 CET | From | Aurora Libertatis | To | Debating the A Democratic Framework |
| Message | OOC: I like Hldjogad, but Dynastic doesn't make any sense, since we aren't a monarchy. :P Unless you want to introduce one of course. Will have to be a new House as none of us hold the rights to the old ones (well, I hold the rights to House Aedinius, who ruled like 400 years ago :P ). |
| Date | 19:04:05, November 04, 2015 CET | From | Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry' | To | Debating the A Democratic Framework |
| Message | OOC: Happy with or without Dynastic, but I suggest it for a reason besides nostalgia: In the original bill ( http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=451458 ) the Pnték Nrzilyk Spjogad asked if anyone would be averse to bringing back the monarchy. If we restore the Atabeg, it could become a hereditary leader in the same style and as such, would bring a "Dynasty" back. Also, the high castes we've been discussing -- drawing back to the PDC era -- would be long dynasties in their own right, perhaps of lower titles, with their own domains etc. The "Dynastic" aspect could be a nod to history... (after all, in the UK now, Dukes, Barons etc. are all people with big houses and gravy trains but no real power per se.) I leave both matters open to your considerations. Otherwise, I quite like "Pnték Taghék Hldjogad (Pontesian Federal Commonwealth)" too, but fear it may alienate the "high castes" we're discussing in the other thread... |
| Date | 19:05:52, November 04, 2015 CET | From | Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry' | To | Debating the A Democratic Framework |
| Message | OOC: Oh, and on the matter of introducing new Dynasties, I'm happy to make one if the national consensus is to go down that direction. I have neither express desire nor abject aversion. |
| Date | 21:02:07, November 04, 2015 CET | From | Aurora Libertatis | To | Debating the A Democratic Framework |
| Message | OOC: I'm convinced. Pontesian Dynastic Commonwealth it is. |
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| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 328 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 60 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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