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Bill: Budget proposal of May 2172

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Social-Conservative party

Status^[?]: passed

Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.

Voting deadline: March 2173

Description^[?]:

The Social-Conservative party propose to adjust the government's spending budget to better address the economic and social situation of the United Tribes of Tukarali. Decreases in Defence, we do have neighbours we can rely upon, and there are more important things to deal with to make our nation progress and become economically strong. it has been ridiculous that trade and Industry, up untill this day, has received less funding than the head of government and many other factors. We increase the money in this sector. Education is also very important so we increase it there as well.

Proposals

Article 1

Ministry	Current Budget	Old Budget	Propesed Budget
Head of Government	2,000,000,000 TUK	28,870,000,000 TUK	20,000,000,000 TUK
Foreign Affairs	50,000,000,000 TUK	52,650,000,000 TUK	52,650,000,000 TUK
Internal Affairs	150,000,000,000 TUK	47,590,000,000 TUK	47,590,000,000 TUK
Finance	30,000,000,000 TUK	21,185,000,000 TUK	21,185,000,000 TUK
Defence	300,000,000,000 TUK	105,888,000,000 TUK	85,888,000,000 TUK
Justice	200,000,000,000 TUK	123,284,000,000 TUK	123,284,000,000 TUK
Infrastructure and Transport	250,000,000,000 TUK	214,455,000,000 TUK	214,455,000,000 TUK
Health and Social Services	700,000,000,000 TUK	234,110,000,000 TUK	234,110,000,000 TUK
Education and Culture	400,000,000,000 TUK	286,470,000,000 TUK	305,470,000,000 TUK
Science and Technology	325,000,000,000 TUK	120,238,000,000 TUK	120,238,000,000 TUK
Food and Agriculture	350,000,000,000 TUK	161,082,000,000 TUK	161,082,000,000 TUK
Environment and Tourism	62,000,000,000 TUK	121,774,000,000 TUK	121,774,000,000 TUK
Trade and Industry	300,000,000,000 TUK	11,764,700,000 TUK	21,764,700,000 TUK
Total	3,119,000,000,000 TUK	1,529,360,700,000 TUK	1,529,490,700,000 TUK

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	14:55:25, January 17, 2006 CET
From	Rightist Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	we adamently oppose this measure. Defense should not be cut. With this budget, you are going to make it difficult for us to defend ourselves.

Date	17:04:20, January 17, 2006 CET
From	DaVidan Theological Monarchist Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	'This is a very sensible proposal. We would prefer more to be spent on health though.' - The Prophet DaVida

Date	17:38:56, January 17, 2006 CET
From	Redneck Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	We oppose.

Date	18:19:05, January 17, 2006 CET
From	Rightist Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	There has been no time to debate the merits of this proposal and we condemn the SCP for putting it to a vote without a full, comprehensive debate.

Date	18:25:09, January 17, 2006 CET
From	DaVidan Theological Monarchist Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	'We agree, more debate is needed.' - The Prophet DaVida

Date	18:56:26, January 17, 2006 CET
From	Social-Conservative party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	Nobody of you would have supported it anyway, you always turn down all movements of change, so we have discussed this with parties who care.

Date	18:58:55, January 17, 2006 CET
From	DaVidan Theological Monarchist Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	'I think this is unfair. I would probably have been willing to vote for this if more debate had taken place and you had listened to other parties views. Compromise is a necessity in these matters.' - The Prophet DaVida

Date	19:03:32, January 17, 2006 CET
From	Redneck Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	Well if the ONCP or SCP would make proposals that had any logic based in them, then they would have support from the Redneck Party but that is very rare to see althought we will admit there have been a few proposals we had to consider carefully although we don't always list out detailed reasons. A few years ago you were worried about the defict the nation is in but now you want to increase spending. Explain that to me please.

Date	19:40:27, January 17, 2006 CET
From	One Nation Socialist Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	the cabinet have ben discussing this for a while in great depth. We did intend for this to be debated but the SCP has obviously and with every right grown tired of certain opposition parties always voting against any proposals we have made in recent times. And we are basically transferring funds to more worthwile parts of the budget. We obviously have different views on what logic would be and we resent the redneck party for claiming for their logic to be true and others logic to be incorrect.

Date	21:41:22, January 17, 2006 CET
From	Rightist Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	Be advised that I have copied down the numbers. When this cabinet is disolved, i'm going to push for the resumption of the current budget and not for this atrocity that you are trying to force onto the people.

Date	22:03:01, January 17, 2006 CET
From	Social-Conservative party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	We do not mind working together with any party if they are willing to compromise, at some junktions support a opinion that is a bit less of theirs but more of another party. THe One Nation conservative party and the Freedom party does this. And the Rightish party, Patriot party in perticular has not given any inclination to this ever. They put up a vote, state their opinion, do not argue why, but just say that everyone else sucks and if you are not voting exactly as they wish, always, you are incorrect. Such arrogance, sorry we cant be a part of. I will not be a henchman i will be a minister and a party whom is willing to compromise on some issues for the greater good, we do not have all the answers, nobody has, and we aer willing to listen. But it is impossible to listen when all we hear, is the frenetic two words of "We oppose".

Date	22:25:17, January 17, 2006 CET
From	Rightist Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	Ladies and Gentlemen I would like to once again ask for censor on the SCP for slander and conduct of unbecoming.

Date	23:03:24, January 17, 2006 CET
From	Social-Conservative party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	Anyone whom has eyes can see facts, and ive been in government with you, Not a single letter asking us to support a measure, or in any way any act whatsoever of compromise, from One Nation Conservative party i get messages asking me to support some legislations, discussing legislations before putting them forth, a true partnership. Ive lived under the way it was governed then, and im entitled to my opinion which i have stated here, and that is a personal opinion based upon how our time under Rightish party governance, and under my time under the One Nation conservative party. If you wish to bann and censor opinions, be my guest, Fourth Reich here we come !

Date	00:50:50, January 18, 2006 CET
From	Patriot Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	This act is a ludicrus act on the part of the SCP. This should have been debated more and a suitable compromise could have been reached. We are asking that this bill get rejected and reproposed again with suitable time for debate.

Date	02:41:48, January 18, 2006 CET
From	Rightist Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	SCP, if u vote no for this bill, granted it is your bill, I am willing to discuss the budget with u in more detail.

Date	09:30:04, January 18, 2006 CET
From	Social-Conservative party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	To late, you should have given that offer when there was more time. Here i discussed with parties in government. We held discussions before about this and it was always no, no cutbacks whatsoever, if i wanted cutback in one area, the rightish party said no, if the rightish party wanted in one, another party crucialt o get a yes said no. It is the unwillingness to compromise that i find so annoying. I presented many various methods, i presented the goal, but was never ever given any ideas of how to achieve this in accordance to your wishes, something the freedom party and one nation conservative party did "no.. we do not like cutting to much in this sector, how about taking X TUK from this sector instead??" etc and then discussing.

Date	09:30:44, January 18, 2006 CET
From	Social-Conservative party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2172
Message	And i want to do something with my power as finance minister, not just reside, and finally i have managed to do something that actually passed.

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Total Seats: 164

Patriot Party (57)
Rightist Party (44)
Redneck Party (32)
DaVidan Theological Monarchist Party (2)

Total Seats: 135

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