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Bill: Law on the functionality of the national security agencies/ Wet over het functioneren van de veiligheidsdiensten
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberale Sociaal Democraten
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 3969
Description[?]:
| Meneer de voorzitter, While we endorse Utopia's vision of a peaceful world, we fear that our lack of a functioning intelligence agency weakens our country significantly, making this commonwealth an easy target for the actions of foreign agression, especially for espionage. The LSD condemns any proposal asking for a intelligence agency with no legal boundaries, which is why we want to establish the " Commitee for the national security of Narikaton and Darnussia/Commitee voor de nationale veiligheid van Narikaton en Darnussië " or CNSND/CNVND, tasked with defending our nation from any form of foreign espionage. It will only be able to use protective measures against foreign agents, without using too much violence and without breaking international/national laws for vague reasons. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Nation's policy with regards to an intelligence agency.
Old value:: The nation maintains no intelligence agency.
Current: The nation has an intelligence agency that is permitted by law to undertake all types of covert operations in other countries.
Proposed: The nation has an intelligence agency, but it is limited to counter-intelligence and surveillance of other countries.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 08:56:01, January 10, 2016 CET | From | Utopia | To | Debating the Law on the functionality of the national security agencies/ Wet over het functioneren van de veiligheidsdiensten |
| Message | You're right and the idea is nice. But we still oppose this idea. First of all, we're neutral and don't present anything threatening. Second of all, although you've presented a limited intelligence agency, it still may behave as (real-life) NSA, we don't want to give away our precious privacy. Third of all, the Police and special security forces protect us from foreign aggression that acts like a terrorist cell and could harm our citizens. I wouldn't like the military to see my awkward singing videos :) |
| Date | 08:57:19, January 10, 2016 CET | From | Utopia | To | Debating the Law on the functionality of the national security agencies/ Wet over het functioneren van de veiligheidsdiensten |
| Message | Plus we're a open country, we don't have anything to hide, right? |
| Date | 09:03:41, January 10, 2016 CET | From | Liberale Sociaal Democraten | To | Debating the Law on the functionality of the national security agencies/ Wet over het functioneren van de veiligheidsdiensten |
| Message | " but it is limited to counter-intelligence and surveillance of other countries ". This agency will never be able to observe our own population, as it is only allowed to fight foreign threats. This agency will never be able to damage the privacy of any innocent person. |
| Date | 09:27:57, January 10, 2016 CET | From | Utopia | To | Debating the Law on the functionality of the national security agencies/ Wet over het functioneren van de veiligheidsdiensten |
| Message | We still disagree, why on earth would anyone be interested in spying something that isnt classified. |
| Date | 09:28:27, January 10, 2016 CET | From | Utopia | To | Debating the Law on the functionality of the national security agencies/ Wet over het functioneren van de veiligheidsdiensten |
| Message | ? |
| Date | 12:04:04, January 10, 2016 CET | From | Liberale Sociaal Democraten | To | Debating the Law on the functionality of the national security agencies/ Wet over het functioneren van de veiligheidsdiensten |
| Message | Every country has things they hide. Our military has certain classified protocols, our kanselier sends encoded emails around with important information, etc. There are many things that could hurt our country. |
| Date | 21:24:48, January 10, 2016 CET | From | Utopia | To | Debating the Law on the functionality of the national security agencies/ Wet over het functioneren van de veiligheidsdiensten |
| Message | Our government is fully open, without secrets, because our citizens got to know what their govt is doing. Our military is very small and the only thing they have to hide is their position, that cant even harm a worm. And Rika isnt hiding anything, (except her boyfriend´s video from secondary school: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WKUtkiEBAI :) |
| Date | 21:26:20, January 10, 2016 CET | From | Utopia | To | Debating the Law on the functionality of the national security agencies/ Wet over het functioneren van de veiligheidsdiensten |
| Message | No matter what, we´re going to vote against. |
| Date | 00:11:34, January 11, 2016 CET | From | Liberale Sociaal Democraten | To | Debating the Law on the functionality of the national security agencies/ Wet over het functioneren van de veiligheidsdiensten |
| Message | The LSD feels that Utopia is so busy with their principles, that they have forgotten that they partake in a harsh world governed by mistrust and violence. We want the best for our citizens, which is something you do by taking actual actions. |
| Date | 17:51:08, January 13, 2016 CET | From | Utopia | To | Debating the Law on the functionality of the national security agencies/ Wet over het functioneren van de veiligheidsdiensten |
| Message | Please put this bill to vote. |
| Date | 18:08:35, January 14, 2016 CET | From | Liberale Sociaal Democraten | To | Debating the Law on the functionality of the national security agencies/ Wet over het functioneren van de veiligheidsdiensten |
| Message | I will put it to vote once I can know for sure that it will pass, my friend. |
| Date | 19:09:04, January 15, 2016 CET | From | Utopia | To | Debating the Law on the functionality of the national security agencies/ Wet over het functioneren van de veiligheidsdiensten |
| Message | Okay, I'll vote in favour, even though it's a bad idea. |
| Date | 18:16:22, January 16, 2016 CET | From | Utopia | To | Debating the Law on the functionality of the national security agencies/ Wet over het functioneren van de veiligheidsdiensten |
| Message | I lied. |
| Date | 01:43:11, January 17, 2016 CET | From | Liberale Sociaal Democraten | To | Debating the Law on the functionality of the national security agencies/ Wet over het functioneren van de veiligheidsdiensten |
| Message | You are actually pathetic. We're leaving this coalition. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 31 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 87 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 82 |
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