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Bill: Patriot Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Radical Conservative Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2175
Description[?]:
| If you vote against this, you're not a patriot. (I'm not sure if non-Americans get this but...) |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The legality of slavery.
Old value:: Slavery and the slave trade are illegal.
Current: Slavery and the slave trade are illegal.
Proposed: The slave trade is illegal, but slavery is legal as a punishment.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:48:39, January 22, 2006 CET | From |  Liberty Party | To | Debating the Patriot Act |
| Message | We don't need the likes of you to tell us whether we're patriots. |
| Date | 12:07:49, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Fasces Kromina Conservatives | To | Debating the Patriot Act |
| Message | "the likes of you"? |
| Date | 16:25:23, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Patriot Act |
| Message | Yes, arrogant fascists who believe that patriotism is believing in them rather than believing in serving the interests of the nation and its people. |
| Date | 17:56:08, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Radical Conservative Party | To | Debating the Patriot Act |
| Message | I'm not a facist. I'm a Radical Conservative. Please read the party names. |
| Date | 21:34:29, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Fasces Kromina Conservatives | To | Debating the Patriot Act |
| Message | Yes. Real fascists are socialists, aren't they? Besides, "the likes of you" that you are referring to have more votes from the people than anyone else. |
| Date | 02:34:46, January 24, 2006 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Patriot Act |
| Message | "I'm not a facist. I'm a Radical Conservative. Please read the party names." Ah, so by your definition a party is whatever it calls itself. So any party that calls itself the 'Popular Party' is presumably popular, regardless of how many votes it gets. Any party that calls itself the 'People's Party' is presumably the party that best represents the people. The Korean Social Democratic Party is presumably a keen promoter of democracy in North Korea (I guess, following the same logic, as it is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, it must be a democratic country). Or maybe, just maybe, a name means nothing other than it is what the person naming the party (i.e., you) wants other people to *believe* the party is and has nothing to do with what the party *actually* is. And actually, by various definitions of fascism, your party *is* a fascist party. "Besides, "the likes of you" that you are referring to have more votes from the people than anyone else" I'm not sure what relevance that has to anything. Just because your parties are popular doesn't make them right. Remember that Hitler and Mussilini won referenda; you may regard that as no bad thing but history seems to regard their rise to power as not the most shining points of 20th Century history. You may seem to believe that holding a majority of the seats in Parliament qualifies you to define words however you like (e.g., patriotism), and I suppose on the most tautologous, superficial level you are correct. However, the reality is that those of us who oppose you are fighting for our country's people and their interests and we are patriots. Our national motto, liberty, opportunity and prosperity comprises our national values, which we are trying to protect from the enemies of freedom (i.e., you). |
| Date | 03:26:02, January 24, 2006 CET | From | Trigunian Social-Democratic Workers | To | Debating the Patriot Act |
| Message | Mussolini was elected? |
| Date | 03:28:22, January 24, 2006 CET | From | Trigunian Social-Democratic Workers | To | Debating the Patriot Act |
| Message | "(I'm not sure if non-Americans get this but...)" Is this a jab at the US Government or an insult to "non-americans"? Hope I'm not being to "Unamerican" by asking this. No, wait, I hope I am. |
| Date | 05:31:24, January 24, 2006 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Patriot Act |
| Message | I didn't say Mussolini was elected. I said he won plebiscites. |
| Date | 05:35:30, January 24, 2006 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Patriot Act |
| Message | "Is this a jab at the US Government or an insult to "non-americans"?" I'm pretty sure this is not a jab at the US government. The RCP seems to have a similar line of thinking to the current US administration: Anti-drugs, anti-abortion, anti-liberty, pro-government interference in the free market, anti-gays, pro-death penalty, etc. |
| Date | 17:23:50, January 24, 2006 CET | From | Fasces Kromina Conservatives | To | Debating the Patriot Act |
| Message | We are so awesome. |
| Date | 18:58:24, January 24, 2006 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Patriot Act |
| Message | I suppose that's one word you could use to decribe yourselves. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 233 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 233 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 89 |
| Random fact: Particracy does not allow official national flags of real-life nations or flags which are very prominent and recognisable (eg. the flags of the European Union, the United Nations, Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union or the Confederate States of America). |
| Random quote: " A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul." - George Bernard Shaw |