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Bill: The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended
Details
Submitted by[?]: Heradite Yunitou
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2177
Description[?]:
| In which Tobacco is unhealthy towards the citizens, and in which it causes loss of work quality a ban on Tobacco must be made. ror have these restrictions: 1. Tobacco may only be purchased if the Doctor says they are healthy enough. 2. Tobacco may only be purchased with a Credit Card and a ID Card to keep Teenagers from taking some. 3. Tobacco may only be purchased in Government-apporived stores. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Sale of tobacco products.
Old value:: Only adults may purchase tobacco.
Current: The sale of tobacco products is prohibited.
Proposed: There are certain restrictions on the sale of tobacco and only adults may purchase tobacco.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:34:51, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Radical Democratic Party | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | Drug prohibition has never worked in the past. We don't see why it would work this time. |
| Date | 04:08:30, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Heradite Yunitou | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | In some cases it has worked. |
| Date | 07:53:34, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Liberal Party of Indrala | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | This is a very authoritarian measure. If it were moderated we may consider support. |
| Date | 11:11:47, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Inrala Panjoregu Kiokutou (DPP) | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | As a liberal party, we will never support measures such as this. |
| Date | 13:24:20, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Heradite Yunitou | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | And by what means do you mean to moderate it? |
| Date | 16:10:47, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Inrala no Ikolowagitou (Green) | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | We firmly believe in the right and responsibility of citizens to make their own choices. We fully support impartial education on the dangers of various substances, but believe that individuals must be free to make their own decisions. We are opposed. |
| Date | 23:33:13, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Populist Islamic Workers' League | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | We are also opposed. |
| Date | 04:38:18, January 24, 2006 CET | From | Radical Democratic Party | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | What are the "certain restrictions" proposed in the amended bill? |
| Date | 06:17:09, January 24, 2006 CET | From | Heradite Yunitou | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | The following three: 1. Tobacco may only be purchased if the Doctor says they are healthy enough. 2. Tobacco may only be purchased with a Credit Card and a ID Card to keep Teenagers from taking some. 3. Tobacco may only be purchased in Government-apporived stores. |
| Date | 12:37:19, January 24, 2006 CET | From | Liberal Party of Indrala | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | A flat no from me. |
| Date | 12:41:29, January 24, 2006 CET | From | Inrala Panjoregu Kiokutou (DPP) | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | Quite frankly we believe it ridiculous to wrap people up in cotton wool in this manner. The state should not be protecting individuals from themselves, and if a person wants to do something with his/her own body in the full knowledge that it could be detrimental to health or even life-threatening, then they should be allowed to do so. In short, people should take personal responsibility for their own bodies. We will not support bills that further the growth of the Nanny State, which is exactly what this bill will do. Regulation 1 would be very hard to police, but more importantly, the addictive nature of tobacco would cause those denied the right to purchase such a product to resort to buying from criminals rather than stop smoking. The proposal would therefore fuel the black market, and provide a further source for manipulation of individuals. Regulation 2 is an unecessary restriction on individual freedom, whilst Regulation 3 is an unecessary regulation on the free market. We therefore oppose. |
| Date | 13:31:32, January 24, 2006 CET | From | Heradite Yunitou | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | Perhaps but what if someone who is unhealthy gets some tobacco they are ensured death even more. Or if a kid makes a false ID card and gets away with it. It is harder to forge a Credit Card-and if they are a minor with a Credit Card maybe checks could be used, And the Government-run stores so we can trust them-and so it is easier to moniter. If an addict is unhealthy (he shouldn't have a problem with anything else) then he should be sent to a Drug Recuperating place. |
| Date | 14:19:16, January 24, 2006 CET | From | Inrala Panjoregu Kiokutou (DPP) | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | People should take personal responsibility for their own health, the government should not be forced to, and indeed has no right to intervene. If somebody wants to write their own death wish, let them. Quite simply, it's not the problem of the state............ |
| Date | 23:59:29, January 24, 2006 CET | From | Heradite Yunitou | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | I thought the state's charge was over their people so they could lead a good and peaceful life. Not kill themselves. |
| Date | 00:32:15, January 25, 2006 CET | From | Inrala Panjoregu Kiokutou (DPP) | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | In our view: "The state has a duty to protect the Individual from other Individuals, but not from himself (or herself to be politically correct)". In opposing this bill, we are holding true to this belief. |
| Date | 03:45:43, January 25, 2006 CET | From | Inrala no Ikolowagitou (Green) | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | OOC: When a proposal contains parameters (for example "certain restrictions" in this case), please place them in the formal bill description. Comments in debate do not form part of the bill. Since the game can't cover all options, you can also use the description to modify the formal proposals to some extent, but not to the point of contradiction, or to where a different formal proposal would be a closer match for the intent. IC: We shudder at the concept of "government approved stores". We remain opposed. |
| Date | 01:38:36, January 26, 2006 CET | From | Radical Democratic Party | To | Debating the The Sale of Tobacco-Ammended |
| Message | We oppose this measure. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 5 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 88 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 7 |
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