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Bill: Banning Conscription
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Centre
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 4012
Description[?]:
| Unity Platform |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term in the military.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Proposed: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:45:06, April 10, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr Speaker, It's genuinely stupid to force people of various degrees of ability to join the military. They could be starting jobs, beginning to climb the economic ladder. We are not at war, so our children don't need to be given back breaking work for no reason. I propose we don't do this in times we have no need for it. I don't want my children to die because they were forced by a gaggle of war-mongering, sadistic maniacs to join the military. When we give our children shell-shock, when we kill our children indirectly, when we give them no choice in their lives, when we stop them from earning early life skills simply for a delusional fascist daydream of misplacedly-patriotic imperialism - then we have lost our way. Say no to dictatorships, say no to stupidity, say no to this illusion. We are not at war, so don't risk our childrens' futures. Stoliditatis oppressor libertatis est maximum mundi! Rhiannon Aurora Unity Leader |
| Date | 22:54:47, April 10, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | OOC: Translation of the above: "The greatest oppressor of liberty is ignorance.". |
| Date | 23:12:25, April 10, 2016 CET | From | National Party of Luthori | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Could someone please put this mad old woman back on a boat to Selucia? I'm sure the Imperial Diet will rejoice at her departure. It's the right and privilege of every citizen to participate to the defense of Luthori. Furthermore, it instills a strong sense of patriotism and maturity in those that serve. And if a war ever broke out conscripts will surely be the last ones to ever be sent into a conflict zone. Ending mandatory service will surely mark a moral decline in Luthorian society and that cannot happen. I yield. The Rt Hon. Otto Rivers Foreign Affairs |
| Date | 23:24:00, April 10, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr Speaker, It's not a right when it's forced on you! I think you fail to understand 'hormones'. You aren't mature because you nearly died, you're mature if you are brought up properly. My children don't need a bullet in the leg to know right from wrong. I severely doubt Eliyahu would support this. Peace? Oh wait, you obviously prefer war. By the by, could you not call me a 'mad old woman'? Being old or being a woman is nothing to be ashamed of. And I'm certainly not mad. Rhiannon Aurora Unity Leader |
| Date | 23:39:33, April 10, 2016 CET | From | National Party of Luthori | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, What are you going on about? I often wonder if there's ever a point to your long winded rants. Its quite simple, maturity is instilled because the military provides structure and discipline. If someone wants to consciously object to service and face the social consequences of being a draft dodger than that's up that person. I yield. The Rt Hon. Otto Rivers Foreign Affairs |
| Date | 23:44:14, April 10, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Well, you see, most parents and schools provide children with structure and discipline; without the possibility of death. Perhaps we should spend less on the military and more on education to provide this - same cost, less death. People who want to get ahead in life by starting jobs should not be branded cowards. Maybe you and your children should all go fight in a bloody trench! Maybe it would instil some morals into you! You aren't a coward when you don't want to die. Rhiannon Aurora Unity Leader |
| Date | 23:44:37, April 10, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Conscription is a honor. It is the time i most remember in my life and i look back at it fondly knowing i could serve my country. It can not be right that people in the prime of their youth spend half their day loafing around in bed...and the other half selling drugs and stealing from each other? That's what you will get if you take away conscription! Crime and young people too lazy to work. We need it to keep the young people on the right track. Conscription makes men out of boys. Amanda Millington |
| Date | 23:50:09, April 10, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr Speaker, It may be an honour to you, but respect people who don't want to do it. My grandchildren will not do this retarded thing. I think it's wrong to suggest all boys spend their time lazy and selling drugs. If we spent less on the military paying these conscripts, and put it towards education and teaching them how to live a life without drugs or laziness. I'm sorry it took military discipline to make you a man. My son has never been in the military, he isn't a boy. He's never taken drugs. He's not lazy. He owns a company, and he employs people. He started working immediately. Name me these countries riddled with drugs and crime because they have no conscription. Rhiannon Aurora Unity Leader |
| Date | 23:55:36, April 10, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Your grandchildren will go to jail then since it is criminal to refuse conscription. And unlike you i actually look like a woman Mr Aurora so perhaps try to stay focused and not lose your head as you have done so many many times. Our Military needs to be the greatest in the world so we can make sure that no one could attack us and that there can be no injustice done without us being able to do something about it. That is why we pushed extra money in to defense...And you seem to have forgotten that we put extra money in to education as well...Just to let you know. Amanda Millington |
| Date | 23:58:47, April 10, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr Speaker, My grandchildren live in Selucia. A military can be great without conscription. Win by tactics, not numbers. Rhiannon Aurora Unity Leader |
| Date | 07:49:04, April 11, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr Speaker I'd like to see you, Mrs Aurora to try and win without the proper numbers in well trained men and women. Thank God you are not in charge of our troops and that this proposal will fail. Imperial Chancellor George William Urquhart |
| Date | 11:46:26, April 11, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr Speaker, May I point to the many generals in classical history who won by tactics, not by numbers? The battles were they were outnumbered 3-to-1, but they won with cunning? Rhiannon Aurora Unity Leader |
| Date | 12:36:16, April 11, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr Speaker, You seem pretty naive, Aurora. Why would you want us to be outnumbered when we instead can have great tactics and great numbers? Don't make it out like we have to choose one or the other because we do not. Your proposal is silly and thank god it won't be accepted. Imperial Chancellor Viscount George William Urquhart |
| Date | 13:04:35, April 11, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr Speaker, How certain are you that every single person in Luthori can be trained perfectly into the army. It's barbaric to force people to do something they don't want to do. Rhiannon Aurora Unity Leader |
| Date | 13:08:24, April 11, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr People The nation of Luthori needs a strong army to defend itself and her interests. With every man or woman knowing how to handle a rifle we are far stronger. |
| Date | 13:13:52, April 11, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Where exactly are we having an all-out-war? Rhiannon Aurora Unity Leader |
| Date | 13:18:46, April 11, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr Speaker, It's called peace trough strength. The military is to make sure that we are not attacked...If you had your way our soldiers would have a flower sticking out of the barrel. Imperial Chancellor George William Urquhart |
| Date | 13:22:10, April 11, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr Speaker, No, if I had my way we wouldn't be run by a fascist who's father should have died in a jail cell. Rhiannon Aurora Unity Leader |
| Date | 15:06:56, April 11, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Banning Conscription |
| Message | Mr Speaker Mrs Aurora try to behave. My father was the most honorable man I knew and if you had one ounce of decency in your should then you would refrain from such comments. Imperial Chancellor George William Urquhart leader of the Conservative Right |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 131 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 422 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 63 |
| Random fact: Moderation will not implement nation renaming requests where the proposed name does not comply with the requirements set out in the Nation Renaming Guide: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6364 |
| Random quote: "Without opposition there is no politics." - Alun Daffys, former Alorian politician |