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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of April 4023
Details
Submitted by[?]: Libertarian Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 4024
Description[?]:
| Proposing a Cabinet |
Proposals
Article 1
The responsibilites of Head of Government will be conducted by the Libertarian Party
Article 2
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Great Rutania party
Article 3
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Citizens United Party (CUP)
Article 4
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Libertarian Party
Article 5
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Great Rutania party
Article 6
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Citizens United Party (CUP)
Article 7
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Rutania Monarchist Party
Article 8
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Great Rutania party
Article 9
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Rutania Monarchist Party
Article 10
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Rutania Monarchist Party
Article 11
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Citizens United Party (CUP)
Article 12
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Rutania Monarchist Party
Article 13
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Rutania Monarchist Party
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:09:31, May 04, 2016 CET | From | Green Party of Rutania | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 4023 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, That the Libertarian Party would sell out on their republican values to work with a bunch of monarchists is quite confusing. The Rutanian Monarchist Party is the biggest threat to republicanism, democracy and equality in this country and we fear their entry into government. - Cathleen Forrest (Representative for Delvar), Green Party Leader |
| Date | 12:52:41, May 04, 2016 CET | From |  Democratic Socialist Party of Rutania | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 4023 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, There is no such confusion in the DSPR. We have always understood that, despite their fine words about freedom and democracy, what the Libertarian Party stand for above all is the interests of capital. To the extent that the old land-owning class, whom the RMP represent, have been absorbed into the capitalist class, the Libertarians and RMP are alike in this respect. They stand for the re-enslavement of the working classes. We expect that they will move against the trade unions and the democratic worker's councils, and the democratic power that these institutions give the people in their working lives. We expect them to appeal to some absurd definition of freedom as they do so. But such freedoms are bourgeois freedoms: the freedom to control, the freedom to exploit, the freedom to degrade our society and the environment in the name of profit. We appeal to the people of Rutania to resist this grotesque reactionary government. The DSPR will defend your rights, and work to defend socialism in Rutania. Harold Bracewell Chairman of the National Executive Committee of the Democratic Socialist party of Rutania |
| Date | 14:14:22, May 04, 2016 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 4023 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, It's an absurdity that I've to react to these comments, they're pure to drive the right coalition apart. I can tell you, we're not going to split up like the leftist (and green- because what's the difference?-) did. Yes the RMP strives for a monarchy, but when they come into a coalition we're not enabling a monarchy. In that way our republican values are still intact. When it comes to these false claims made by the DSPR, the DSPR thinks freedom can only be created by oppressing other people- rich and middle class people-. We believe in freedom for everyone, that's why we're against raising taxes on the poor, but also on the rich. we're not trying to create a system of inequality. In my plan, yes everything is privatized, but prices are low thanks to the ban on monopolies. Wages aren't controlled by government, but that doesn't mean the workers don't earn a penny, yes advertising is possible, but that doesn't mean everyone is addicted. By the way what the DSPR calls democracy with those workers councils, I call tyranny. A CEO knows how the run a business on money, a worker doesn't. And then placing the CEO out of their work and firing them to let their business be controlled by workers is unacceptable and not freedom. Also, if they DSPR hasn't noticed we're for subsiding low-income families and have proposed this many times. In that way low-income families don't have problems when it comes to healthcare and education. We're also in every respect for the right to strike and don't want to infringe Unions rights to strike. We're pro freedom for EVERYONE, not pro freedom for workers only. That's why we ask the DSPR to withdraw their abhorrent claims. Rep. Jerome Hunter, Deputy leader LP |
| Date | 16:45:13, May 04, 2016 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party of Rutania | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 4023 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The Libertarians misunderstand, or misrepresent, our aims. Our aim is not to replace exploitation of the proletariat by the bourgeoisie for exploitation of the bourgeoisie by the proletariat; our aim is to abolish the class system altogether by transferring ownership to the state and control to the worker's councils. The Libertarians claim that CEOs know best, and that the Democratic Worker's Councils don't know how to run industry, though they offer no evidence to back up this claim. To follow their line of reasoning, should Rutanian democracy be abolished, and replaced by some autocrat who knows best how to run the country? You see that they and the RMP have more in common than you may first have thought. If you vote for such a government, you are declaring no confidence in the democratic decision making abilities of ordinary working people in both the economic and political spheres. Harold Bracewell Chairman of the National Executive Committee of the Democratic Socialist Party of Rutania |
| Date | 17:50:24, May 04, 2016 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 4023 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, By transferring ownership to the state you're already creating a new class, the state, a.k.a. government. Every government official will be powerful, while the normal people have no power at all, that's called a tyranny. About the CEO argument, we're not in power to give no RL evidence. In following my reasoning you would also know that a CEO of a big business has shareholders/ board of directors where he has to take account with. All people who have studied something with economics and are educated to do their job and not like some workers where some didn't even attend college. Like the president that has to take account of the House of Representative. I respect democracy in every single way, it's you who are taking the power from the people away and placing it into the government's hands. Rep. Jerome Hunter, Deputy Leader LP |
| Date | 17:53:20, May 04, 2016 CET | From | Green Party of Rutania | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 4023 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, As much as the Libertarians try to spin things they are jumping into bed with a party that wants to abolish this republic and establish an unelected person as head of state with the position being passed down through one family. No true republican party would work with a party like the RMP - it is absurd and completely contradictory to do so. - Cathleen Forrest (Representative for Delvar), Green Party Leader |
| Date | 18:12:09, May 04, 2016 CET | From | Green Party of Rutania | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 4023 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We in the Green Party like to do our homework. Upon swatting up on the Libertarian Party we discovered that they are, in fact, full members of the Anti-Monarchist League and the Alliance of Terran Republics. As a result, does this not make an alliance between the Libertarians and the Monarchists untenable and show the desperation of the Libertarians to be in government. For example, the Anti-Monarchist League which the Libertarians have membership of is for "political parties seeking remove all forms of monarchism from Terra". Surely working with a monarchist party contradicts this mission? In fact, the membership criteria for this organisation is that members "must do all in their power to stop Monarchism from spreading nationally and internationally, and the respective party must speak out against Monarchism." Similarly, the Alliance of Terran Republics which the Libertarian Party belongs to describes itself as being for "all parties spreading republicanism & democracy, and willing to counter-stem the monarchist power." Again, is the Libertarian Party working with the monarchists not a complete contradiction and a massive conflict of interest? - Steve West (Representative for Khodor) |
| Date | 19:08:47, May 04, 2016 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 4023 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, It's good the Greens did their homework for once ;). It's a massive conflict of interest on that matter, that specific matter, but on all other matters our party and the RMP can agree quite good. Economics for example. Yes, I'll resist if the RMP will try to establish a monarchy, but I also respect their choice to want it. Also I want to state that my party remains member of the Anti-Monarchy league and the Alliance of Terran Republics and will remain anti-monarchist, our alliance with the RMP won't change that. For the Right: I hope you realise that this is a pathetic attempt of the left to split us apart, don't fall to their pressure and vote for this cabinet proposal. (OOC: I also almost chocked in my ice cream because I laughed that hard when the Green Party posted their latest comment on my anti-monarchism, since I didn't expect that at all, so my compliment to the Green Party for that.) Rep. Jerome Hunter, Deputy Leader LP |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 295 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 173 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 32 |
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