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Bill: The Public Television Act of 2175
Details
Submitted by[?]: The Mordusian Green Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2178
Description[?]:
| We in the DP have seen firsthand the benefit of public television, which receives operational funds from the national government but operates as independently as possible. We wholehearted support the advent of such a program. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Television stations.
Old value:: All television media are private.
Current: The government subsidises a national TV station for educational and informational purposes; other private non-subsidised TV stations are allowed.
Proposed: The government subsidises independent non-profit-making cooperatives for educational and informational purposes; other private non-subsidised TV stations are allowed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:13:44, January 26, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | You see, because a public service of the media can never be independent, it is therefore useless, and a waste of money. Some people will consider it "too left", others "too right", others "where's the culture?", some "why culture?" &c |
| Date | 12:02:06, January 26, 2006 CET | From | The Mordusian Green Party | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | That questioning should not be a reason why we reject it. |
| Date | 15:36:43, January 26, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | Oh no? Then tell us, what IS a reason why not to reject it? Your argument is: we need an independent network - we say: there cannot be an independent network, so we don't see where you are countering us... |
| Date | 20:53:13, January 26, 2006 CET | From | The Mordusian Green Party | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | The network might be a good place to engender the very political discussion you seem to be concerned about. That seems to us to be reason enough for its existence. |
| Date | 20:54:15, January 26, 2006 CET | From | The Mordusian Green Party | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | Besides, having a network that programs educational programs could serve as a valuable support to our educational system. |
| Date | 22:30:05, January 26, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | Yes well, 90% of the people are not interest in the life of ants, or University Broadcast, or the opening of a new Guggenheim Museum. It's what we say it is: an independent, public service can never be independent, and never serve the entire public. |
| Date | 22:30:50, January 26, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | Yes well, 90% of the people are not interest in the life of ants, or University Broadcast, or the opening of a new Guggenheim Museum. It's what we say it is: an independent, public service can never be independent, and never serve the entire public. |
| Date | 22:31:11, January 26, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | Yes well, 90% of the people are not interest in the life of ants, or University Broadcast, or the opening of a new Guggenheim Museum. It's what we say it is: an independent, public service can never be independent, and never serve the entire public. |
| Date | 22:31:48, January 26, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | OOC = to give you an example of commercial education networks: Discovery Channel and National Geographic Channel work fine, and transmit 24/24 7/7 |
| Date | 13:53:27, January 27, 2006 CET | From | The Mordusian Green Party | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | Discovery Channel is fine if you want to know how to build a motorcycle. The National Geographic Channel is fine if you want to know about Hitler. But we want an educational network in place that does not have to worry about commercial support. |
| Date | 17:25:32, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | That's kind of a weird rebuttal... The Public Service of Belgium, Flanders ( www.vrt.be ), is always described as a Left Bastion, they give a lot of public service announcements (of the EU, non-profit organisations and such) and the quality frankly sucks. Public services always turn out to be Populist Services of the Ruling Parties... |
| Date | 18:56:33, January 27, 2006 CET | From | National Thomasian Party | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | Indeed the BBC waas very critical of the government before the Iraq war but when the threat of them losing their royal chater and funding came in they had to be less contreversial, and to be honest most of the stuff on it is rubbish and not educational at all. As long as the government controls the purse strings public television can be made to toe the party line. |
| Date | 19:10:01, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | Little Britain! The Catherine Tate Show! I like BBC, much better than our public television... |
| Date | 21:26:58, January 27, 2006 CET | From | National Thomasian Party | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | Little Britain sucks and I've never really watched Catherine Tate. Little Britain got old after the first series. |
| Date | 22:12:00, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | I agree on Little Britain (personnaly I feel they're a bit over the edge, but the actors are quite good). However, euhm, you really have good comedy series, like Smack the Pony, and numerous others. Also I have to congradulate the BBC for "Rome" (well, in a EU context). |
| Date | 22:42:24, January 27, 2006 CET | From | National Thomasian Party | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | Rome was awesome. It's a pity that Channel 4 were showing lost at the same time so it didn't get enough attention. |
| Date | 23:15:42, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | You prefered lost over Rome? Man, you're a disgrace to humanity. Who considers of those Yankees productions better than productions of our own soil? ;) haha PS Stay in the EU ... please |
| Date | 23:16:21, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | O wait, you said "it". Sorry misread your post. |
| Date | 23:18:08, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | I have been following it, btw, both on the BBC as on our own public cultural network, vrt2 "canvas". The scenes were different, we got to see a hell of a lot more explicit nudity &c Also the episodes were 10 minutes longer here :/ |
| Date | 23:23:47, January 27, 2006 CET | From | National Thomasian Party | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | damn you Continental Europeans and your being more liberal! Well at least we're not Americans! high Five! (just kidding obviously) |
| Date | 00:37:49, January 28, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | So ... no high five :o? :D Gullie Engelse zeddoak da toffe kearels, aaj? Jullie Engelsen zijn ook toffe mensen, hein? Les anglais sont des gens tres sympas, hein? You English are very cool people, huh? |
| Date | 01:05:41, January 28, 2006 CET | From | National Thomasian Party | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | 'Fraid I can only speak English and bad french. Also I'm Welsh not English. The English aren't cool, the rest of the british are :p |
| Date | 02:33:29, January 28, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | Have it your way. Euhm: Cardiff. :) I love geographical knowledge. |
| Date | 02:35:05, January 28, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | Counts for me as well btw: I am Flemish, not "Belgian" (does not exist). Neither does "United Kingdommer" I guess ::D |
| Date | 06:29:43, January 28, 2006 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | In support. Private corporations are bad for news. Advertisers with vested interests in what is being reported put ads on, and if the news reports something Mr Big Oil Company doesn't like then the ads get pulled, so the private news will never report anything that might offend their megacorporation funders. (OOC: That's why American media is so pathetic and all sensationalism with little substance. Hell the only American news I'll watch is PBS' "News Hour" because they give equal time to both sides and report simple facts.All other news is classified as 'Entertainment' and has no obligation to give equal time or balance or even be honest) |
| Date | 09:05:08, January 28, 2006 CET | From | Socialist Front of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | Commercial TV-stations can only keep running if they make a profit. This means they have to catter to what the majority wants to see. As such, the minorities haven't got anywhere to go for the shows they want to see. We need a TV-station which is free from comercialism, making it capable of serving the minorities. OOC: In Denmark, we have good experiences with the publically owned TV-station. |
| Date | 09:16:57, January 28, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | AHA! There you have it! The PUBLIC television turns out to be MINORITY TV! But everyone else still has to pay taxes for it! Oppression! Shame! :) |
| Date | 20:42:01, January 29, 2006 CET | From | Unio Liberál daď Ordio Mordusián | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | "...for educational and informational purposes'. Oh, I understand that's a new name for government propaganda :D |
| Date | 10:02:34, January 30, 2006 CET | From | Socialist Front of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | In any country which funds anything, you will always pay for things you do not yourself need. Even though you may never drive down 5th Avenue, your tax-money will still be used for keeping it in shape. Even though you may never get cancer, your tax-money will still be used on hospitals. Even though you may be a self-thougth lumberjack, your tax-money will still go to education. That's how it works. If one doesn't like that, better try to implent laizzes-faire capitalism. Democracy must be more than just keeping a majority of the people content. |
| Date | 10:50:10, January 30, 2006 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the The Public Television Act of 2175 |
| Message | "Democracy must be more than just keeping a majority of the people content." Yes, but you let that same majority PAY for something that has NO use at all. OOC: you tyrant! :) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 146 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 403 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 50 |
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