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Bill: Industry Nationalisation Act - The Real Solution For Our Workers
Details
Submitted by[?]: Revolutionary Socialist Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2178
Description[?]:
| To ensure our country isn't a pawn in the capitalist big industry machine, and to ensure fair wages and job security for our working comrades, we ask that all business by nationalised. FOR THE PEOPLE AND NOT FOR PROFIT! |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on industry and subsidies to industrial operations.
Old value:: The government acts as an investor of last resort, by nationalizing failing industries that provide vital goods or services.
Current: The government does not intervene in the market nor provide any form of subsidies/relief to industries.
Proposed: All industry is owned and operated by the state.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:49:55, January 26, 2006 CET | From |  National Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Industry Nationalisation Act - The Real Solution For Our Workers |
| Message | We reject the process of sudden nationalisation as a solution for our country, through experience. This is almost a trap for the ISP - We vote no, we are seen as capitalist. We vote yes, we are seen as radical. |
| Date | 19:15:37, January 26, 2006 CET | From | Baltusian Pantian Alliance | To | Debating the Industry Nationalisation Act - The Real Solution For Our Workers |
| Message | So what are we supposed to do? sit back and watch the communists destroy our country? Capitalism helps grow a infostructure of strengh within a country your system shall make it crumble into an abyssm of lazy communism. Natual selection is natural do not try and go agianst it, the weak are weak the strong are stong just because we have worked to get ourselves somewhere doesent make us evil. |
| Date | 00:45:53, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Fatherland Party | To | Debating the Industry Nationalisation Act - The Real Solution For Our Workers |
| Message | This is disgusting proposal, I will definately say no for this. |
| Date | 04:53:13, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Industry Nationalisation Act - The Real Solution For Our Workers |
| Message | "To ensure our country isn't a pawn in the capitalist big industry machine" Instead, let's ensure our country is a pawn in the big socialist grab for power and control over everything! "and to ensure fair wages and job security for our working comrades" Yeah, its not like your comrades can decide that, perhaps, if they aren't happy they can go on strike for better conditions or look for a new job...oh, wait! Although, I agree, its bad for people to make decisions concerning their careers, so its best that Big Sister Republica looks after them, isnt it? They might start thinking for themselves next! [/sarcasm] |
| Date | 07:12:40, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Baltusian Pantian Alliance | To | Debating the Industry Nationalisation Act - The Real Solution For Our Workers |
| Message | On another point RSA your slogan in this seems to be "for the people and not for the profit." Exactly what is going to be for the people when we dont have any profit? Is this going to be a great victory when we can say hurah we financially destroyed ourselves so you the worker get to be financially destroyed to :) Super happy fun times for all!!! Another question when we all are applicable for welfare whos going to pay out? Wait for Baltusia to become third world and get donations of food from other generous countries? A giant sucking tide of wretched communism sucking all the wealth out of the world until no one has anything? |
| Date | 23:44:03, January 28, 2006 CET | From | Revolutionary Socialist Alliance | To | Debating the Industry Nationalisation Act - The Real Solution For Our Workers |
| Message | "Instead, let's ensure our country is a pawn in the big socialist grab for power and control over everything!" A ridiculous accusation lazily mad ewith no proof attached. Yawn, typical of the LibLibs. You really are an idiot. If your party had a degree of morality in there for the people, you would recognise that fair wages are an entitlement, rather than kissing the ass of big business. |
| Date | 01:02:10, January 29, 2006 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Industry Nationalisation Act - The Real Solution For Our Workers |
| Message | "A ridiculous accusation lazily mad ewith no proof attached. Yawn, typical of the LibLibs." I would think that trying to control the economy is a grab for power. Its fairly obvious assertion. "You really are an idiot". This is over the line. Tone it down. Personal attacks are the sign that someone feels they are losing. "If your party had a degree of morality in there for the people, you would recognise that fair wages are an entitlement, Fair wages are already an entitlement. If workers are unhappy with their situation, they can strike or change jobs for better conditions. By staying at any place of work, the worker is de facto claiming that he or she is content with the conditions. Government intervention is not required when trade unions and employers can negotiate labour disputes themselves. "rather than kissing the ass of big business." Kissing the ass of big business by providing subsidies to nuclear power corporations or to big business farming, like your party supports? An impressive oversight. |
| Date | 18:01:16, January 29, 2006 CET | From | Revolutionary Socialist Alliance | To | Debating the Industry Nationalisation Act - The Real Solution For Our Workers |
| Message | "I would think that trying to control the economy is a grab for power. Its fairly obvious assertion" Which means that socialist parties shouldn't try and make legislation about the economy? What rubbish you constantly speak. "This is over the line. Tone it down. Personal attacks are the sign that someone feels they are losing." It's like talking to a brick wall with you. "By staying at any place of work, the worker is de facto claiming that he or she is content with the conditions. " They are forced to due to the lack of employment in some areas. "Kissing the ass of big business by providing subsidies to nuclear power corporations or to big business farming, like your party supports? An impressive oversight." 1. We want nuclear industry to be built up ready for nationalisation. I doubt 'big business farms' would receive subsidies to stay in operation either. An impressive flop from yourselves. |
| Date | 00:40:25, January 30, 2006 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Industry Nationalisation Act - The Real Solution For Our Workers |
| Message | "Which means that socialist parties shouldn't try and make legislation about the economy? What rubbish you constantly speak." No but you can't reject the fact that it is a grab for power. "It's like talking to a brick wall with you." Same. "They are forced to due to the lack of employment in some areas." Then they should start their own business or move to somewhere more profitable. A difficult thing to do but given that a recently unemployed worker has government assisstance for three months, it should be doable. "We want nuclear industry to be built up ready for nationalisation." Fair enough but when do you think nationalisation will occur? Do you think that will succeed this century? Nevertheless, it still sees you supporting massive subsidies to energy giants like Liam & Co General and Nuclear Power Baltusia, something we who "kiss up to big business" are against. "I doubt 'big business farms' would receive subsidies to stay in operation either. An impressive flop from yourselves." Well, to use your logic, any employee of a corporation is ruthlessly worked over and not paid enough. Therefore, any corporate farmer must be low-income and therefore eligible for subsidies, thereby further screwing things up. Regardless, don't you think that maybe corporations, now that subsidies are available, may pay their farmers less since the tax-payers will make up the rest of their income? Seems to serve big business to me. On another topic, when we proposed some bills to the periphery of our ideology and its voted for by two or three parties, you called us out of touch. This bill is representative of the core of your ideology and every other party is against it. Judging by your statements, you must be further out of it than a stoner. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 90 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 219 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 52 |
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