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Bill: Alorian Assistance for Dorvik
Details
Submitted by[?]: Union der Dundorfer Alorias
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 4067
Description[?]:
| If this bill passes it will be allowed to the military of Dorvik to send aircrafts over the territory of Caermoel on their way to Dundorf. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:18:36, June 30, 2016 CET | From | Union der Dundorfer Alorias | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | A MP of the Dorvisch Republik, Mr. Eduard Groß from the Soziale Nationalistische Partei, has written a letter to me asking for permission to send aircrafts over the region of Caermoel to support their cause in Dundorf. I know that this will be a difficult discussion for our nation, I expect serious talks without fear-mongering or any racist slurs. Helmut Mentzens |
| Date | 18:51:37, June 30, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | As it seems that this MP is not in their cabinet, we will not comment. We will wait for further information from Dorvik. |
| Date | 18:54:54, June 30, 2016 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | The National Socialists wpuld like Aloria to send its millitary to Dundorf. We also think that Dorvikian aircrafts should be allowed to fly pass our sky. But, again, we should join the war. |
| Date | 19:27:57, June 30, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | ANP Leader, Stephen Powell: I think the comments of the NSPA are concerning. We should take war very seriously, and we need to know everything before making a decision. Again, we have yet to make a decision. |
| Date | 19:59:44, June 30, 2016 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | It won't hurt us if we keep nations like Dundorf in check. I find them kind of agressive. The National Socialist Party of Aloria is ready to send 25 000 militiamen and militiawomen to Dundorf to fight against the religious extremists. |
| Date | 23:17:32, June 30, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | I urge the government to not rush into any decision in the near future. I also urge the government to conduct further talks with both Dorvik and Dundorf. |
| Date | 00:15:03, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Hosian-Konservative Allianz | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | Members of the Alorian Senate, fellow Artanian Brothers and Sisters, Dundorf, as some of you may know and not know, Dundorf has been rocked by instability by the return of the Socialist Unity Party of Dundorf, known as the SED. The SED has been able to secure its place even further by supporting the "Grand Reform Party" that has become a puppet of the SED. It's clear that the SED has had this planned as a supposed "right-wing" party is now supporting these reforms to turn Dundorf back into a socialist state. This instability has a chance to spill over to other regions, including into Aloria. We are attempting to preempt that, we are simply asking for military flight rights over Aloria. If this instability pours over into Aloria, it'll be your mess to clean up and could destabilize the entire regions. As a note, they've illegally closed the Dorvish embassy and told us flat out that they do not care for democracy or freedom. Trasaricus von Färber Inspector-General of the Armed Forces of Dorvik, Chief of the Supreme General Staff |
| Date | 00:31:51, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | I still urge the government to not rush a decision. |
| Date | 01:14:48, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Zentristische Partei von Albrunn | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | Outright propaganda! We did not illegally close the embassy nor denounce democracy or freedom! |
| Date | 02:14:14, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Hosian-Konservative Allianz | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | Members of the Alorian Senate, fellow Artanian Brothers and Sisters, Representatives of the Alorian National Party, we attempted to speak with both sides but unfortunately, they immediately used military force to close an embassy and then blamed it on their "perceived enemy". We've attempted to be diplomatic and we cannot stand by idle any longer. This could usher in a new era of cooperation for Aloria and Dorvik, and it would be greatly beneficial to us both. Trasaricus von Färber Inspector-General of the Armed Forces of Dorvik, Chief of the Supreme General Staff |
| Date | 03:00:57, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Zentristische Partei von Albrunn | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | Dorvik continues to grapple for any Casus Belli to attack us in their "ideological" war. |
| Date | 06:51:14, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | The NSPA demands that the aircrafts pass! Our Party is also ready to send tens of thosands of militiamen and women. |
| Date | 15:01:56, July 01, 2016 CET | From | ALORIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS PARTY (ANC) | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | Militia is banned in Aloria. We urge both the nation's to resolve the situation through talks and Aloria is ready to mediate the talks between both the nation's. |
| Date | 15:09:12, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | We second the comments of the ANC. As Dundorf does not want Dorvik to intervene in their affairs, we will oppose this bill when it goes to a vote. |
| Date | 16:57:38, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | IC: You are betraying Aloria! Dundor is a dangeour to our allies! |
| Date | 17:43:43, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Zentristische Partei von Albrunn | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=473851 . Our military is strictly defensive. We are willing to accept an international conference mediated by Aloria. |
| Date | 19:45:14, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | The NSPA is our of the talks. Do what you want. Just to warn you: don't be sirprised f the National Socialist Party of Aloria initiates violent protests in our country against the current rule. Alorians MUSTN'T forget that a Dundorfian party rules our country and that means that we are in danger. |
| Date | 20:13:15, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Union der Dundorfer Alorias | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | NSPA: And you mustn't forget that there are no ties between our party and the government of Dundorf, we are merely the political representation of the Alorians of Dundorfian descent, approximately a third of our nations population. We won't allow any hate-inciting in our nation. |
| Date | 20:18:04, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Union der Dundorfer Alorias | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | And the Große Reformpartei, it seems that the NSPA said the truth about the forceful closure of the Dorvik embassy http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=476614 It seems that the more outdated information is the Military Restraint Act, that is already 14 years old, many things can change in such a long time http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=473851 |
| Date | 20:24:46, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Union der Dundorfer Alorias | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | And it seems that the insurgents in Dundorf are supporters of the Von Hess Partei, as far as we of the UDA know. So shouldn't we help the government of Dundorf fighting the extremists instead of fighting against the government? If we do that we install an extremist government instead of preventing it. And by the way, I don't see why the Dorvik government should meddle in inner-Dundorfian matters. |
| Date | 20:29:23, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | Agreed. The new Dundorfian government capital is located in Albrunn, as the extremists over run the original capital. We will vote against this bill. I urge our government to start talks with boy nations immediately. |
| Date | 20:34:30, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Zentristische Partei von Albrunn | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | The forceful closure of the embassy mentioned their is different than the one claimed by Dorvik. We closed it after a request was sent to Dorvik to withdraw all military and diplomatic personnel. When they refused to respond we used force. The military restraint act may be old but it is by no means outdated. It is still in effect and prevents aggressive action by our military. |
| Date | 20:44:33, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Union der Dundorfer Alorias | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | But you have to agree that your party invalidated the Military Restraint Act by putting forward bellicose laws. |
| Date | 21:17:09, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Zentristische Partei von Albrunn | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | We disagree. |
| Date | 21:36:19, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Hosian-Konservative Allianz | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | OOC: I don't see why we can't RP a war, I don't get why we have to have a peace conference or some dumb meditation. How about we have some fun and not sit on our this? Honestly if this is what you guys are all going for I'll just say that I'm not wasting my time with it. |
| Date | 21:39:05, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Zentristische Partei von Albrunn | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | OOC: RP wise peace is better for Dundorf but we are really just buying time to build up defenses. Also for their to be war Dorvik has to be the one to declare. |
| Date | 22:50:07, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Von Hess Partei | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | Honoured Members of the Alorian Senate, there is no enmity between Dundorf and its brother nation Dorvik. In fact Dorvik is assisting the Hosliches Patriarchat von Dundorf in its fight against a bellicose, immoral and dictatorial alliance of fascists and communists who are trying to oppress the God-fearing people of Dundorf and divide the spoils between them until one becomes strong enough to wipeout the other. We ask our dear brothers and sisters in Aloria not to fall for the lies of the enemies of God, our people, and our nation. Let our Dorvikian brothers pass to come to our assistance in this our hour of need. May there be peace between our brother nations which share so much history and culture. Gunther Reinhardt Hoher Erwürdiger Bischof der Verbesserung Bekennenden Kirche Patriarch von Dundorf |
| Date | 04:44:26, July 02, 2016 CET | From | ALORIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS PARTY (ANC) | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | We don't want a war in Artania.Dorvik has no right to intervene in the internal affairs of Dundorf and every nation has to respect the sovereignty of the other.We won't sit quiet if war is the only source.We will help out allies a acording to the treaties we designed and it's our honour to respect the old promises made.Aloria will side Dundorf to stop the aggression of Dorvik. Hon. President decided not to allow the Dorvish to use Alorian soil for their selfish benefits.As Commander in Chief of the Armed forces Presidents decision will be final whether to allow Dorvik forces to pass throug our land. |
| Date | 14:10:40, July 02, 2016 CET | From | Von Hess Partei | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | Honoured Members of the Alorian Senate, there is no aggression against Dundorf by Dorvik. Dorvik help in our fight against the bellicose, immoral, and dictatorial alliance of fascists and communists is more than welcome and desperately needed. We implore our Alorian Brothers and Sisters to allow our brother nation to cross and come to Dundorf's help. Gunther Reinhardt Hoher Erwürdiger Bischof der Verbesserung Bekennenden Kirche Patriarch von Dundorf |
| Date | 14:26:51, July 02, 2016 CET | From | Union der Dundorfer Alorias | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | This "bellicose, immoral and dictatorial alliance of fascists and communists" is the democratically elected government of a sovereign nation. We fully agree with our honourable president that we won't support any war. |
| Date | 15:22:01, July 02, 2016 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | The NSPA is aiding the Von Hess Partei because their cause is sacred! The Alorian National Socialists will also be sending 50 000 armed NSPA members to fight against the communist fovernment in Dundorf and help the warriors of the Von Hess Partei! Sieg Heil! |
| Date | 15:27:26, July 02, 2016 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | We are helping the Von Hess Partei: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6725&p=101643#p101643 |
| Date | 15:28:59, July 02, 2016 CET | From | Hosian-Konservative Allianz | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | Herr Representatives, For Dorvik to be called the aggressor in this is quite frightful. For those of you who have failed to open the newspapers over the past several months, several years in fact, hundreds if not thousands of citizens are being killed or murders because of their religious beliefs. What civilization can stand idly by and allow citizens be massacred by their supposed "democratically elected government"? If protecting Artanians is an "aggressive" move, then let us be known as aggressive. The international community stands by because it is happening next door, what happens when the violence spills over and your citizens start getting murdered because of their religious and political beliefs? Dorvik does not want to intervene in Dundorf but has every right to be vocal about protecting citizens that are being murdered simply because of their beliefs. Intervening to stop religocide and outright massacres is a justification for intervention and I would expect the same from any member of this continent. Please, come back and tell me and the members of this chamber that that is okay and I will gladly bow my head and stop trying to reason with clearly insane people. Trasaricus von Färber Inspector-General of the Armed Forces of Dorvik, Chief of the Supreme General Staff |
| Date | 19:41:57, July 02, 2016 CET | From | Zentristische Partei von Albrunn | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | Let it be known The the GRP was the most active in fighting for religious freedom in our nation. |
| Date | 17:07:19, July 03, 2016 CET | From | ALORIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS PARTY (ANC) | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | After Von Hess partei statement I came to know that there is something wrong in Dundorf |
| Date | 16:56:26, July 04, 2016 CET | From | Hosian-Konservative Allianz | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | Herr Representatives, So now what is Aloria saying when the Dundorfian "government", the one that you claim is legitimate, has been found to have murdered a Dorvish ambassador and began a genocide of religious Dundorfians? Hutori has already re-called its ambassadors and I will be bringing more to bear if necessary. Do note, that the actions of Aloria do have an implication for their future as well. Trasaricus von Färber Inspector-General of the Armed Forces of Dorvik, Chief of the Supreme General Staff |
| Date | 20:02:23, July 04, 2016 CET | From | Zentristische Partei von Albrunn | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | We deny both any genocide and the murder of the Dorvisch ambassador |
| Date | 01:45:17, July 06, 2016 CET | From | Hosian-Konservative Allianz | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | Herr Representatives, I am writing to inform you that we are no longer requesting Alorian aid or flight rights; we have secured rights with other allies in the region who are prepared and care about the region. What I am here to inform you about as well, is the fact that the world will know that Aloria stood idly by and allowed thousands of Dundorfian citizens to be mercilessly slaughtered because of their indifference to anyone claiming to not be Alorian. The world will know that you did not care when another nations Ambassador was murdered in cold bold by the so called "legitimate" government of Dundorf. The world will know all of this. I've already informed my government of your actions and they are going to take the necessary steps to ensure that you pay. Aloria today should be ashamed of themselves. Already, a coalition has gathered to oppose the Dundorfian religocide and yet, Aloria, who proclaims itself as being a freedom-loving nation who cares about people and proclaims that it cares about Artania, stood idly by as people were being murdered because of their beliefs. Thank you ladies and gentlemen, I hope you sleep soundly tonight. Trasaricus von Färber Inspector-General of the Armed Forces of Dorvik, Chief of the Supreme General Staff |
| Date | 03:19:13, July 06, 2016 CET | From | ALORIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS PARTY (ANC) | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | We are not afraid if your warnings Aloria always stood for the upkeeping of peace in the Aratania and you are loosing your patience.You have to pay for this and I say again we support no genocide but Any nation has no right to interfere in another's internal affairs.If war is inevitable we would like to face it. Hail Aloria Long live Artania |
| Date | 03:23:55, July 07, 2016 CET | From | Zentristische Partei von Albrunn | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | I believe we are in agreement then. correct? We would like to send a Mr. Kolb and a Mr. Ehlers to Aloria to assist in the preparation of defenses. We would also like to establish a joint defense commission and we would like to request the assistance in the construction of AA and forts near expected targets of aggression by Dorvik. |
| Date | 12:52:36, July 07, 2016 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | Send some of your reactionaries and the NSPA will ambush and kill them, Grose Reformpartei. |
| Date | 13:02:33, July 07, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | We would like to remind everyone that the NSPA do not represent the Alorian government. |
| Date | 15:11:08, July 07, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Syndicalists | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | we will negotiate the situation diplomatically your president asked us for help so we will assist you peacefully as long time allies |
| Date | 18:12:31, July 07, 2016 CET | From | Zentristische Partei von Albrunn | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | Might you call for the dispAndment of the NSPA for their terrorist activities |
| Date | 12:49:44, July 08, 2016 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alorian Assistance for Dorvik |
| Message | NSPA leader Milan Nasler from prison: 'I and the leading National Socialists might be in prison but our members are in the bushes! A big civil war is going on! Long live the Alorian National Socialist Revolution! Long live the Armed Resisance! Sieg Heil!' |
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| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 289 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 226 |
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