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Bill: Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more?
Details
Submitted by[?]: Covenanters (IA)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2180
Description[?]:
| A bill to link the granting of Citizenship with Imperial Service. Definitions: - Subject - A Luthori national; legal immigrant/refugee granted asylum to live in Luthori; or a resident of a colony, protectorate or overseas territory. Civilian - A Subject who is not a Citizen. Civilians are freemen, equal to Citizens in all ways except they are unable to vote or stand for public office. Citizen - A Subject who has completed a qualifying period of Imperial Service and passed a Citizenship Exam. Only Citizens may vote or stand for public office. Imperial Service - Two years military service (or 30 days continuous service in a recognised combat theatre), two years police service, two years service in certain Civil Service departments including intelligence agencies and the Diplomatic Corps, two years public service as a doctor, nurse, midwife or teacher. Citizenship Exam - A short test conducted in an official Imperial language to confirm the Subject knows the national anthem, Emperor's full name and titles, national animal, motto and flag. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Proposed: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:31:18, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | I need the SPP to assist with the wording for Buddhists. |
| Date | 14:37:07, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | It should be pointed out that civilians get all the rights of citizens, apart from the right to vote. |
| Date | 14:41:25, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | Is that better? |
| Date | 14:46:48, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | Yes, but what I was saying is that some parties might not vote for this because they might believe non-citizens might not be given full rights, I was just making a statement to allay those fears, in order to get the bill passed. |
| Date | 14:48:35, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | Okay. will the current wording suffice? I couldn't think of a way to effectively reverse the wording to say that is the only difference. |
| Date | 14:53:53, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | Yes, but I wasn't asking you to change the wording, I was just trying to ensure the vote passed, by allaying any possible fears. |
| Date | 14:55:44, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | Oh, okay. The new wording is probably necessary to show that there is actually a difference other than the service and exam anyway. |
| Date | 17:18:31, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Shuggoth Progressive Party | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | This is acceptable to the SPP. The Buddhists do not have a Holy Book similar to the Bible or the Qu'ran. But for the purposes of this bill it would be suitable to 'swear or affirm' on a likeness of the Kalachakra Mandala ( see here http://www.tibet.com/Buddhism/kala1.html ). |
| Date | 17:41:19, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | Does the new wording read okay to everybody? I'm not sure about it but can't think of anything better! |
| Date | 21:48:26, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Shuggoth Progressive Party | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | Looks fine. And it lacks the 20 or 30 typos I would have made if I had written it hehe. |
| Date | 23:06:31, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | I'm not so sure. Yes, it means that those who are truly devoted to the Fatherland will receive recognition, but what of the under-classes? Certain minorities are opressed, and we would like to see that Civilians received benefits too. Citizens just get a bunch of other stuff. |
| Date | 03:57:03, January 28, 2006 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | As far as I am aware, the only difference between a citizen and a civilian is that citizens are involved in politics, while citizens are not. Apart from suffrage, there is no rights that civilians don't have. I have just realised, our parties will be filled only with citizens, so some parties may just become lobby groups for certain services, I'm going to align myself with those citizens from the public services. ; ) |
| Date | 19:43:36, January 28, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | We are aligned with army veterens and the clergy. |
| Date | 19:48:33, January 28, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | We are aligned with army veterens and the clergy. It's clear that some kind of wording is required to make it clears that civilians have the same civil rights as citizens. Any suggestions? |
| Date | 21:34:14, January 28, 2006 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | My voters won't want to take that oath. Perhaps we could have an alternate Oath for Republicans. I swear [by Almighty God / solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm] that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to my fellow people of Luthori, that I will as in duty bound honestly and faithfully defend them, crown and dignity against all enemies and will strive to make Luthori a safer and better place. I swear [by Almighty God / solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm] I will not kill or attempt to kill or attack His Imperial Majesty Emperor Richard I, his heirs and successors. You can keep the other one in as well if you want but it would only be required to take one of the oaths, if you add my oath I'll vote yes. |
| Date | 20:36:50, January 29, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | This isn't a republic! Subjects can choose not to take the oath and decline the rights of citizenship, in the same way that Sinn Fein MP's don't take the oath and don't sit in parliament or get paid. |
| Date | 23:34:08, January 29, 2006 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | You want to turn us into Sinn féin and ALL of what that means? |
| Date | 03:19:15, January 30, 2006 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | I understand the PUP's concerns, but the SRP's alternate oath includes the phrases "duty bound honestly and faithfully defend the crown against all enemies" and "will not kill or attack His Imperial Majesty, his heirs and successors." His alternate oath recognises the monarchy, so why not allow both oaths. |
| Date | 13:19:28, January 30, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Imperial Service Guarantees Citizenship - want to know more? |
| Message | I can simply remove the oath from the Citizenship Exam. After all, subjects will have to swear an oath of allegiance to the Emperor on commencement of their military service, so their is really no need to take it again when they complete their service and are eligible for citizenship. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 561 | ||||||
| no | Total Seats: 86 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 103 |
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