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Bill: Attack on democracy - Call for early elections, June 4069
Details
Submitted by[?]: Popolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L.
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill requests an early election. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline. Elections will be held immediately if the bill passes.
Voting deadline: February 4070
Description[?]:
| We, the Popolari per l'Istalia, call for early elections as soon as we can reach a consensus. |
Proposals
Article 1
Arrange early elections as soon as this bill passes.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:18:09, August 04, 2016 CET | From | Popolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L. | To | Debating the Attack on democracy - Call for early elections, June 4069 |
| Message | Dear collegues, you will find hundreds of cases in which there is a recall election because much of the Parliament was unmanned. Here are a few examples: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=379652 http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=393197 http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=377237 So you do not find excuses to cover their willingness to continue without democratic legitimacy. The word go right back to the citizens. |
| Date | 16:44:56, August 04, 2016 CET | From | Popolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L. | To | Debating the Attack on democracy - Call for early elections, June 4069 |
| Message | CORRIERE D'ISTALIA Adinolsi (PPI): "è in atto un golpe. La parola torni ai cittadini" http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4118&p=102896#p102896 |
| Date | 16:57:53, August 04, 2016 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the Attack on democracy - Call for early elections, June 4069 |
| Message | so, I paste here my answer on your last early election proposal: OOC: sorry to don't endorse this proposal, but i have gone to see the legislative history of the nation and also the game rule on the forum. Well, I have seen no obligation in the Game Rule in the forum, only a possibility if, and it's written "if", the Nationmaster sets such policy (writing off course I think) or if it's provided in a Game Rule Accord between the players. I didn't see any past bill or bill in debating zone as Game Rule Accord, Nationmaster's rule, link to a forum for the Istalian parties where thy can read the game rules (only a link to the game rules on the particracy forum), etc... I saw that in some other similar occasions It has been a common practice, but I found also episodes that have seen the Parliament vote against a proposal like that, even if the disappeared party had much more importance and weight. Like those episodes: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=407130 You voted against the proposal despite the missing party was even the third party in the country and despite its president candidate had received so many votes, almost unseating the victory of PPI. But I found other episodes that saw the no convenience of a vote for, the PPI voted against. As someone declared in this parliament "It would make sense to resort to the polls if there was not a majority able to express themselves and if the absent parties were part of a government that would be in this way unfit to rule", but this is not the case. And then, I would say also that the PPI for very long time, for the last Istalian Revolution Party's governments, all my first government and also since the last elections, has participated very very little in the role play. Only vote yes/no without any discussion, proposal or otherwise any involvement in the game. Also when he was in power with my party in minority, he made his reforms and bill in in total silence. Behavior also had even after my messages with which I invited him to participate, same thing for the PNPI. And I am bitterly surprised that the PPI, that is present in the game a lot longer than us, participates in the game in a way so cold and aloof. I'm sorry, but actually would give me a lot bother a thing. I was also myself for several years in opposition and despite the disappearance of different parties, while in the PPI was off, I never got to ask for such a thing and I patiently waited for the natural expiration of the legislature. If you want talk about the establishment of a "Role Game Rules Accord for the Players", we can talk about this and establish togheter specific internal rules for the role game in Istalia. And I can show you other episode where you voted against in a similar situation (one of the party of parliament became inactive but you have still voted against): http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=377740 |
| Date | 17:26:36, August 04, 2016 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the Attack on democracy - Call for early elections, June 4069 |
| Message | So, i say to you this: now we wait the passage or defeat of the current pending bill, then I call early election. OOC: then, i kindly demand to Figlioccio to participate more actively in the game. then, i will propose an Istalian Game Accord, to put in writing precise rules, which are always visible to everyone. Because if I agree to go to early election it is just to avoid making someone cry like the babies. Because, i want remember to Figlioccio that It is written in the Game-Rules that it would be preferable that the players participating in the role play, something that I think you have forgot. |
| Date | 17:47:11, August 04, 2016 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the Attack on democracy - Call for early elections, June 4069 |
| Message | OOc: now i vote against. but i assure that after the passage of the last bills i call early elections. But i invite again the PPI to partecipate a minimun in the game, even a few lines to make fell its presence, in addition to just click on the site or not. Because if you do not have time to dedicate to the game, then perhaps it would be better to allow others to play and not to talk to a wall, without risking to call elections whenever someone goes away because "I have little time to play". Would you like to stay here? Play and interact, even a minimum, with the other players please. |
| Date | 20:50:14, August 04, 2016 CET | From | Nuova Socialdemocrazia | To | Debating the Attack on democracy - Call for early elections, June 4069 |
| Message | OCC. No! I do not agree with this proposal and do not agree with the proposal of ISLP. You said that there is no rule which obliges us and you said me that also the moderator confirmed you this! why we have to indulge this? only because the PPI is currentry in the oposition? It's true that PPO do not play and i said in theother early election proposal that i think it'ìs responsibility of the player hold his party and it's a form of respect for theother that try to make a game The whip of LDE party in the Chamber mr Baratti: "The LDE is really against this proposal. We think the PPI memebers of parliametndo not support this situation from the seats of the oposition. hIf the ISLP will call early election after the vote on the bill under vote, the LDE will not assure no more any type of support or collaboration with the ISLP. If the President Alessandro Senns will not confirme his position of legitimate, directly elected President of the Republic will be the TDE to call early election, but this time each of us will run alone |
| Date | 00:18:11, August 05, 2016 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the Attack on democracy - Call for early elections, June 4069 |
| Message | OOC: please, please! Ok, there is no rule which oblige us to call early election. We have ascertain this. But I want only reach an agreement. Let pass some time, i talk to PPI about the "Minister of Infrastructure and Transport Crisis". Allow a little time. We reach some our goal and the PPI will be satisfied and will be quiet. The honorable Michele Manella of the ISLP: "these assertions are rather risky by the LDE, to which I would like to recall that shares with the ISLP the government responsibility. We are trying to avoid the radicalization of the situation. We are also aware that the responsibility of the defection of PNPI was due entirely to their elected representatives who have betrayed their electors, for what? A form of protest against the democracy? Against the will of the people which has given its support to political forces with which would be unacceptable any dialogue? We are conscious of this, we are also aware that the absence of the PNPI don't affect the stability of the government and especially would never have an effective capacity to make its proposals in place, luckely, i would add, I am having had the opportunity to hear some of their "proposals". But collegues of the LDE, we have also a responsibility towards these people betrayed and no longer represented. Think about it please. Thank you all. |
| Date | 09:32:23, August 05, 2016 CET | From | Popolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L. | To | Debating the Attack on democracy - Call for early elections, June 4069 |
| Message | the compromise proposed by PSLI is acceptable as long as they go to the polls on the month immediately following the passage of laws . As a gesture of detente we voted ' yes ' to international agreements . Hopefully this will serve to restore the Parliament soon |
| Date | 10:09:40, August 05, 2016 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the Attack on democracy - Call for early elections, June 4069 |
| Message | CORRIERE D'ISTALIA "Golpe? Attacco alla Democrazia? Accuse redicole!" http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4118&p=102914#p102914 |
| Date | 10:51:25, August 05, 2016 CET | From | Popolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L. | To | Debating the Attack on democracy - Call for early elections, June 4069 |
| Message | We expect the elections to March 4070 |
| Date | 11:41:21, August 05, 2016 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the Attack on democracy - Call for early elections, June 4069 |
| Message | The Secretary of the Press Office of the Presidency of the Repubblic Sayid Al-Shanqiti: "good moorning honorables members of the Chamber of Deputies, I am here to express the current position of the Presidency to the Parliament after the long night meeting between the parties supporting the government convened by the President after the turbulent parliamentary session of yesterday. The President has confirmed the stability of the current government but he is forced to tell to the PPI that the strong stand of the LDE most likely will postpone any dialogue for a short-term agreement. The President, in the role of chieff of a coalition government, now must also respond to its government ally to garantee to hold up the Government, but he can assure to the PPI that are ongoing intense negotiations to convince LDE to soften their position and make them open to a deal. In addition, he point out that he already has demanded to the representatives of the parliamentary groups of the majority abstinence from strong declarations, such as those released at the exit of the last parliamentary session from the honorable Antani and Shah, as long as the coalition has reached a more accommodative common position. Thank you" |
| Date | 14:48:14, August 05, 2016 CET | From | Popolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L. | To | Debating the Attack on democracy - Call for early elections, June 4069 |
| Message | if the elections are not insured for February 4070 we will lift the positive vote to the laws on international agreements. |
| Date | 14:48:35, August 05, 2016 CET | From | Popolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L. | To | Debating the Attack on democracy - Call for early elections, June 4069 |
| Message | *March 4070 |
| Date | 15:14:58, August 05, 2016 CET | From | Popolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L. | To | Debating the Attack on democracy - Call for early elections, June 4069 |
| Message | CORRIERE D'ISTALIA Il PPI invoca l'intervento di Sanna: "Il governo è illegittimo e corrotto" The PPI calls the Presidente Sanna: "The government is illegitimate and corrupt" http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4118&p=102920#p102920 |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 122 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 345 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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