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Bill: We need a new nation master
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Democratic Party - Syndicalists
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 4095
Description[?]:
| We need a new nation master Voting Yes RAC To be new leader No against |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:59:38, September 24, 2016 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | I am happy for you to do it Rac. But please clear out some of the old bills for debate. It is getting mighty cluttered. |
| Date | 12:51:40, September 24, 2016 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | OOC - Hi there, for the record this is what you need to do in order to become nationmaster: 18.3 The process concerning the appointment and removal of Nationmasters is as follows: 18.3.1 There is no requirement for the nominee to be a player in the nation. The nominee may be a player in another nation. It is also possible for a Nationmaster to serve as Nationmaster in more than 1 nation. However, no nation may have more than 1 Nationmaster. 18.3.2 In order to nominate a candidate, the nominee must be nominated in a bill passed by a 2/3rds majority of all players with seats (not just those with seats who vote), and at least 4 players with seats must support the motion, at least one of whom must have been currently continuously active in the nation (ie. no inactivations) for at least 1 month. Additionally, the nominee must agree to be willing to serve as Nationmaster. 18.3.3 The nomination bill must then be presented to Moderation for approval on the Nationmasters thread. Moderation reserves the discretion to decline the nomination if the nominee is judged to be unsuitable. However, if the nomination is accepted, then the nominee's details will be added to the Register of Global Role-Players & Nationmasters. |
| Date | 13:36:55, September 24, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Syndicalists | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | OOC ok great thanks |
| Date | 13:43:47, September 24, 2016 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | OOC - No worries. I will be offline for a while now but if you open this up to vote later, take this message as my proxy yes vote vote for you (i.e RAC player Karl Benn) to be our new nationmaster. cheers! |
| Date | 23:32:49, September 24, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Syndicalists | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | Ok will do |
| Date | 01:19:51, September 25, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Liberal | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | I vote Revolutionary party |
| Date | 14:54:02, September 26, 2016 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | OOC - Given current events i.e the debate over an early election etc I have changed my mind because i don;t think anyone can be nation master and show objectivity towards this . I think we should wait until the next scheduled election until we vote in a nation master. I therefore vote for myself i.e. Patriotic Party Player to be nation master. I will re-consider after the next election. Thanks everyone. |
| Date | 18:37:28, September 26, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Liberal | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | You cannot change your vote. This bill has already passed |
| Date | 19:01:19, September 26, 2016 CET | From |   Moderation | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | Hey guys, Let me try and bring some clarity to this... Since this bill has finished voting, Baltusia has now formally met the requirements for nominating karl benn as Nationmaster. The nomination itself cannot be withdrawn. The next stage is that Moderation is meant to decide whether to accept the nomination. Given that one player appears to have changed his mind, and that player's vote would have been crucial in determining whether or not the nomination bill met the requirements, I am going to use my discretion to at least delay accepting the nomination, in order to allow you discuss amongst yourselves how you would like to proceed here. Perhaps it is possible stuntmonkey can be reassured about his concerns - or perhaps it is is not, I don't know, but it's worth exploring whether we can come to a consensus here. One assurance I would like to give: the Game Rules do allow Moderation the discretion to refuse early election and early inactivation requests from Nationmasters in circumstances where it becomes clear they are being made in an inappropriately self-interested way. See section 18 of the Game Rules for more information on that (http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6363 ). Although I do not wish to suggest anyone was intending on doing anything like this - I'm not fully familiar with what the background is to the controversy going on here. Hope this helps. Aquinas (Moderation) |
| Date | 19:05:15, September 26, 2016 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | OOC - Ok, but I did not realise you were using it as a way to call for early elections, simply because we don't agree with you - that was until I saw your posts on the forum and realised what was afoot. I have explained my position to the moderator If he decides to pass RAC player has the nationmaster so be it but I think we should postpone it because I seriously cannot see RAC player being able to referee this early election decision objectively right now. Cheers. |
| Date | 19:16:31, September 26, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Liberal | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | RAC is completely unbiased. Like I told you in private messages. You're only doing this for personal gain. We lost a major party that was nation master. And we need a new one. You always say we should wait to do this and that. Knowing you just want to nominate yourself as nation master like you told me in messages. |
| Date | 19:18:08, September 26, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Liberal | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | Also I believe RAC would be really good at monitoring the bills, etc. And making sure things don't get cluttered again. |
| Date | 19:20:09, September 26, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Liberal | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | Also I believe RAC would be really good at monitoring the bills, etc. And making sure things don't get cluttered again. |
| Date | 20:29:11, September 26, 2016 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | On the record, i don't want to be nationmaster i just voted this way to block this vote. After the scheduled election i will vote for rac party. But right now i don't think he can be 100 per cent objective over early elections. If rac said he wasn't going to call an early election before the next scheduled election then i would consider changing my mind. Whatever the case i think he should set out some rules for calling early elections like if 20 or 25 per cent of seats go then call one. You cant just say we must call one if a major party goes because how do you define a major party? 50 seats, 100 seats. Also do you say we wait to clear out some bills before calling elections otherwise we could end up very cluttered? Or if one party is deactivated but another party is very quiet and may themselves deactivate in the next day or so, do you call elections immediately and then call one immediately after the second party or do you wait? i don't know the answers but all these are things a nationmaster must consider. |
| Date | 20:36:04, September 26, 2016 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | Sorry i forgot to thank aquinas for his input too. To be clear if the reassurances were there that this is not about calling an early election and rac player could define reasonable guidelines for calling early elections in the future i would votes yes immediately. |
| Date | 21:01:15, September 26, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Liberal | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | You and I both know Patriotic party that we always have elections after a party with seats leaves to stabilize congress. The fact that all of a sudden when you become president you want to halt elections. Why is that? Is it because like the message you just sent me you don't want to give any power to other parties? |
| Date | 21:03:09, September 26, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Liberal | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | I think RAC should rule that whenever a party with seats leave, we hold elections. Just like we do always. Also about the bills, each party can either delete their bills and or RAC can request to get them deleted. |
| Date | 21:05:28, September 26, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Liberal | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | But like I said. It's up to the mods. I said what I needed to say. I just don't think it's fair for you to try to change your vote way after the bill passed. Just goes to show you're abusing your power. We have always compromised. |
| Date | 21:31:59, September 26, 2016 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | Ooc - we will just have to agree to disagree and let the mods decide. All the best. |
| Date | 22:25:55, September 26, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Liberal | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | Exactly, I just hope the mods listen to the majority of parties here and vote to confirm RAC. Do the right thing! :) |
| Date | 12:22:22, September 29, 2016 CET | From | Moderation | To | Debating the We need a new nation master |
| Message | http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6537&p=104799#p104799 Following consultation with stuntmonkey, who is now content with the nomination, karl benn's nomination as Nationmaster for Baltusia has been accepted. Aquinas (Moderation) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 520 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 90 |
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