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Bill: VBS - Strike act
Details
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2180
Description[?]:
| Because strikes do a lot of bad stuff for the economy |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Employer's rights in regards to firing striking workers.
Old value:: Employers can fire workers who are deemed to have gone on strike without reasonable reasons.
Current: Employers can fire workers who are deemed to have gone on strike without reasonable reasons.
Proposed: Employers are free to fire workers who go on strike.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:12:17, January 31, 2006 CET | From | Selucian Sovereignty Party | To | Debating the VBS - Strike act |
| Message | Civil rights also do bad stuff to the economy. Do you propose we stamp them out too? This nation gives employees a right to strike. That right is meaningless without protection from being arbitrarily fired. The current law is fine as is. |
| Date | 23:42:14, January 31, 2006 CET | From | Uleroth Liberation Party | To | Debating the VBS - Strike act |
| Message | No way. |
| Date | 20:12:06, February 02, 2006 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the VBS - Strike act |
| Message | Do you have any idea what possible foreign companies that want to invest in Selucia think when there is a national strike again? Strikes are bad for our economy, that's why we want less strikes, if employees don't like it, they can always quit their job and find a better one |
| Date | 20:17:44, February 02, 2006 CET | From | Selucian Sovereignty Party | To | Debating the VBS - Strike act |
| Message | There is a power imbalance between a subsistance worker, and a wealthy corporation. The strike mechanims and collective bargaining regime balance out this imbalance, so that a fair distribution of wealth can take place. It is essentially a modification that still allows market forces to determine wages, but limits the "playing field" of the parties with respect to what tactics they can use to achieve a binding agreement. Secondly, there is no need for a strike or lockout. If both sides act reasonably, a strike or lockout should never happen. Thirdly, what about lockouts? If an employer unfairly locksout its employees, should the owners be stripped of their company just as you propose to strip striking workers of their jobs? It cuts both ways. |
| Date | 21:09:16, February 02, 2006 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the VBS - Strike act |
| Message | You ignore my point: strikes are not a good thing to attrackt foreign investments |
| Date | 22:27:09, February 02, 2006 CET | From | Selucian Sovereignty Party | To | Debating the VBS - Strike act |
| Message | Neither are minimum wages, human rights legislation, workplace safety and health legislation, or unstable democracies that have multiple parties that share parties. The state is here to serve all interests, not just those of investors. |
| Date | 00:00:06, February 03, 2006 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the VBS - Strike act |
| Message | Then I would like to know what you would do - if you got a majority - in a country without investments |
| Date | 06:29:40, February 03, 2006 CET | From | Selucian Sovereignty Party | To | Debating the VBS - Strike act |
| Message | There is no evidence that there is a strike problem in Selucia. Just because workers can strike, doesn't mean that they will do so very often, and without good reason. Secondly, investment is about more than labour laws. Taxation rates, business incentives, and natural resources all play a role, as does the moral of the workers. Low worker morale = low productivity = no investment. |
| Date | 09:12:41, February 03, 2006 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the VBS - Strike act |
| Message | There is no evidence there is NO strike problem too. By having a low workers morale, their boss knows their productivity is low, and because he will try to maximilize the productivity, he will do anything he can (afford) to bring up their morale. It's called The Invisible Hand of Wegason |
| Date | 14:59:54, February 03, 2006 CET | From | Selucian Sovereignty Party | To | Debating the VBS - Strike act |
| Message | Since you are asserting the law, it is your resonsibility to prove that there is evidence of a problem. I always thought it was simply called "The invisible hand". However, a likelier scenario would be to move to nations with laws in place that ensure higher worker morale - its easier on the business that way, as the morale problem is taken care for them, and they can concentrate on producing goods and services, and not wasting resources on morale improvement. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 84 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 441 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 50 |
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