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Bill: Economic Reformation Act of 4114

Details

Submitted by[?]: Náisiún Nua

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: March 4115

Description[?]:

A bill that introduces widespread economic reform for Kirlawa.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date08:46:15, November 03, 2016 CET
FromUnion of Green Market-Socialists
ToDebating the Economic Reformation Act of 4114
MessageThe party supports the amendments for breaking up monopolies and creating national banks, but opposes the other amendments.

Date20:00:15, November 03, 2016 CET
FromKirlawan People's Justice Party
ToDebating the Economic Reformation Act of 4114
Message[exasperated sigh] Please split these into separate bills!!

1) (banks) Strongly favour.
2) (forbidding children from any participation in economic activities) Strongly opposed; see below.
3) (energy) Strongly favour.
4) (bailouts) Strongly opposed.
5) (monopolies) Strongly favour.

We'll vote aye, but will certainly seek to reverse those two articles if it passes.





As I had written in recent bills
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=486550
http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=489107

Strongly opposed.

I am OOCly baffled at how so much of the Particracy playerbase is so thoroughly and implacably opposed, to kids voluntarily choosing to supplement their allowances via such things as newspaper routes and lemonade stands, if they wish.

Voluntarily.
Any and all potential abuses, are prevented by the regulations which are mentioned in the article.





And we are also strongly opposed to handing taxpayer money to private corporations, in "bailouts" or in any other such subsidies.
Such thoughtlessness, very soon leads to the abominable practice of "privatise the profits, socialise the losses" -- since that's what's being incentivised.

If you're concerned about the broader impact of some bankruptcy, there's a much better option available -- absolutely do not throw taxpayer cash at the private owners -- instead, NATIONALISE the thing! Please.


What's being proposed here, is actually the _worst possible_ position on this issue, in our view.
Our preferences, ranking the available options on it from best to worst:

1 best) The state owns the commanding heights of the economy and all major industries, but private ownership is allowed in the minor industries.
2) All industry is owned and operated by the state.
3) Certain industries are owned by the state, all others are under private ownership.
4) The government acts as an investor of last resort, by nationalizing failing industries that provide vital goods or services.
... is vastly preferable over ...
5) The government does not intervene in the market nor provide any form of subsidies/relief to industries.
... which in turn is vastly preferable over ...
6 worst) The government subsidizes private enterprises that face bankruptcy.





"Enterprises" should be being TAXED. NOT subsidised.





By the way, we feel exactly analogously on other issues, such as
"The research and development of pharmaceutical drugs."
http://classic.particracy.net/viewvariable.php?variable=DRUGS_RESEARCH
1 best) The government subsidizes research and development of prescription drugs and regulates their prices.
2) The government does not subsidize research and development of prescription drugs but regulates their prices.
... is vastly preferable over ...
3) The government neither subsidizes research and development of drugs nor regulates their prices.
... which in turn is vastly preferable over ...
4 worst) The government subsidizes research and development of prescription drugs but does not regulate their prices.


and
"The nation's defence industry."
http://classic.particracy.net/viewvariable.php?variable=DEFENSE_INDUSTRY
1 best) The state owns all defence industries.
2) The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
3) Defence industries are privately owned and not subsidised.
4) Defence industries are banned.
5 worst) Defence industries are privately owned but subsidised by the state.

and I'm sure there are others as well.





If something's important enough for the government to be having a hand in economically supporting it, then we feel it should be being run by the government, for public benefit. NOT for private profit.

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Total Seats: 440

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