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Bill: Budget proposal of February 4116
Details
Submitted by[?]: Konservative Union
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 4117
Description[?]:
| The Dorvisch Soziale Union (DSU) propose to adjust the government's spending budget to better address the economic and social situation of the Dorvisch Republik (Dorvik). |
Proposals
Article 1
| Ministry | Current Budget | Old Budget | Propesed Budget |
| Head of Government | 15,000,000,000 DDO | 100,000 DDO | 100,000 DDO |
| Foreign Affairs | 17,000,000,000 DDO | 3,200,000,000 DDO | 6,400,000,000 DDO |
| Internal Affairs | 17,000,000,000 DDO | 17,500,000,000 DDO | 17,500,000,000 DDO |
| Finance | 10,000,000,000 DDO | 15,000,000,000 DDO | 15,000,000,000 DDO |
| Defence | 77,000,000,000 DDO | 32,000,000,000 DDO | 32,000,000,000 DDO |
| Justice | 12,000,000,000 DDO | 15,250,000,000 DDO | 15,250,000,000 DDO |
| Infrastructure and Transport | 11,000,000,000 DDO | 15,250,000,000 DDO | 15,250,000,000 DDO |
| Health and Social Services | 53,000,000,000 DDO | 40,000,000,000 DDO | 48,000,000,000 DDO |
| Education and Culture | 31,000,000,000 DDO | 45,000,000,000 DDO | 48,000,000,000 DDO |
| Science and Technology | 22,000,000,000 DDO | 3,750,000,000 DDO | 7,750,000,000 DDO |
| Food and Agriculture | 11,000,000,000 DDO | 6,000,000,000 DDO | 6,000,000,000 DDO |
| Environment and Tourism | 17,000,000,000 DDO | 1,000,000,000 DDO | 4,000,000,000 DDO |
| Trade and Industry | 17,000,000,000 DDO | 22,500,000,000 DDO | 22,500,000,000 DDO |
| Total | 310,000,000,000 DDO | 216,450,100,000 DDO | 237,650,100,000 DDO |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 07:45:07, November 06, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Budget proposal of February 4116 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, this proposal includes allocation of additional funds in five ministries: - Ministry of Foreign Affairs - (+)3.200.000.000 DDO - Ministry of Health and Social Services - (+)8.000.000.000 DDO - Ministry of Education and Culture - (+)3.000.000.000 DDO - Ministry of Science and Technology - (+)3.000.000.000 DDO - Ministry of Environment and Tourism - (+)3.000.000.000 DDO Olaf Fasbender, Minister of Finance. |
| Date | 09:26:57, November 06, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Budget proposal of February 4116 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, let me correct my previous statement, in case of Science and Technology the subsidy will nbe evaluated at 4bn DDO not 3bn. Olaf Fasbender. |
| Date | 14:39:58, November 06, 2016 CET | From | Fortschrittsvereinigung | To | Debating the Budget proposal of February 4116 |
| Message | Herr Speaker, We congratulate the DSU on trying to reform the budget, but we sadly feel this is not the correct way to go about it, we recommend decreasing the defence budget and putting what we take away form that into the foreign affairs budget instead for example. We may try and come up with our own budget to better address the situation. Paula Fürst, State Chancellor of the Dorvish Republic |
| Date | 15:01:22, November 06, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Budget proposal of February 4116 |
| Message | Mrs. Staatskanzler, I would like to remind you that the defence budget has been the subject of financial cuts in recent month and those funds were re-distrubuted throughout other ministries. I feel that further cutbacks should not affect already limited budget of the defence ministry. Olaf Fasbender, Finance Minister. |
| Date | 15:04:45, November 06, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Budget proposal of February 4116 |
| Message | Mrs. Staatskanzler, in order to secure the realization of our projects necessary fund have to be provided. That is the main reason of the budget reform. Olaf Fasbender, FM. |
| Date | 15:42:08, November 06, 2016 CET | From | Fortschrittsvereinigung | To | Debating the Budget proposal of February 4116 |
| Message | Mr Fasbender, Nonetheless, the military budget is still quite large. A simple reduction from 32,000,000,000 DDO to 30,000,000,000 would help make the foreign affairs budget increase to a number near your proposed budget already. As for Health & Social Services and Education, although we are strong supporters of the welfare state and our nations education, we feel the budget is sufficient and required no changes, they are already the two highest budgets in the nation. Science and environment budgets could receive a minor boost from some minor juggling around within the budget, and we have enough room for a miniscule increase in the budget, with 4,500,000,000 DDO roughly as our current surplus. Paula Fürst, State Chancellor of the Dorvish Republic |
| Date | 15:58:13, November 06, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Budget proposal of February 4116 |
| Message | Mrs. Staatskanzler, I do not believe that the health and social secrity budget is sufficent. Is the fact that we spend the highest amount of money on the health of our citizens not allowing us to spend on it more? I do not think this is the right way of thinking. 2bn DDO which you propose cutting from the defence budget would hve to be sliced ant distibuted throughout the ministries and I assure you that a boost of 100-200mn DDO is not enough. Education is another issue that I believe we should not stint uppon. Higher budget means higher standards and more advaced technologies that can be implemented in the learning process. The fact that we have 4,5bn DDO surplus does not mean that we have to use it entirely. Even if we use the surplus we have now and cut the defence budget it still gives us only 6,5bn DDO to re-distribute. The changes I have introduced will give us 21bn DDO to re-distribute. Olaf Fasbender, MF. |
| Date | 16:25:35, November 06, 2016 CET | From | Fortschrittsvereinigung | To | Debating the Budget proposal of February 4116 |
| Message | Mr Fasbdner, You are correct in the fact that just because something has the highest budget doesn't mean it shouldn't be increased, but we think at this stage the budget for health and education is perfectly fine. The main fact of the matter is that we cannot afford such increased in spending, and the only way we can do is an extortionate taxation system. Is there need for some reforms in spending and taxation? Whilst the current system is the best it's been in years, especially if you compare it to how the nationalist parties used to allocate spending and taxation many decades ago, however some change could be done. But is this the right way to go about it? No, my party believe it isn't. Paula Fürst, State Chancellor of the Dorvish Republic |
| Date | 17:57:28, November 06, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Budget proposal of February 4116 |
| Message | Mrs. Staatskanzler, So in your point of view 45% tax rate is not extortionate? I do not agree with you. Extortionate is not the proper word. I would agree with you when the tas rate would be... 60% as it was in the past. During coallition government you participated in. Olaf Fasbneder, FM |
| Date | 18:19:16, November 06, 2016 CET | From | Fortschrittsvereinigung | To | Debating the Budget proposal of February 4116 |
| Message | Mr Fasbender, 45% is still high, but not as bad as a full half of a persons wages taken. As for your reference to 60% taxation, you seem to forget it was my party that lowered that tax! And this coalition you're referring to, are you talking about governments froma round 20 or more years ago, which our party has since juggled leadership and members numerous times? Paula Fürst, State Chancellor of the Dorvish Republic |
| Date | 18:29:55, November 06, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Budget proposal of February 4116 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, But if not the DSU's members the issue of income tax would not be even discussed! History is history, but these are facts you can't disagree with. Olaf Fasbender, FM. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 310 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 139 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 51 |
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