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Bill: Secular act, 2179
Details
Submitted by[?]: KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2180
Description[?]:
| We want to regulate this sector. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change
Taxation of religious institutions.
Old value:: No religions are taxed.
Current: Religions are treated as companies, and all profit is taxed, however, charitable donations are not taxed.
Proposed: Religions are treated as companies, and all profit is taxed, however, charitable donations are not taxed.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The state's policy concerning religious clothing.
Old value:: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Current: It is not permitted to wear religious clothing or religious symbols in public buildings.
Proposed: Public officials are not allowed to wear religious symbols while exercising their duties.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Religious schools are not allowed.
Current: Religious schools are allowed, but are strictly regulated. Only recognised religions may set up religious schools.
Proposed: Religious schools are allowed, but are strictly regulated. Only recognised religions may set up religious schools.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: Ministers of religion shall receive no remuneration whatsoever.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religions shall be regulated by the law, but shall be borne by the religious communities themselves.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Current: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:59:07, February 02, 2006 CET | From |  Northern Light | To | Debating the Secular act, 2179 |
| Message | We approve 100%. |
| Date | 19:26:04, February 02, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Secular act, 2179 |
| Message | Since we will have the majority of active parties, we close the debate. |
| Date | 19:53:32, February 02, 2006 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the Secular act, 2179 |
| Message | Thankyou, debate is like the most important part of the game, and for like the tenth time today you have simply stopped all debate on the matter. Gentlemen I think the Socialistisk Liberalparti will make a wonderful fascist party for this nation. |
| Date | 19:56:06, February 02, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Secular act, 2179 |
| Message | Debate is only needed when the majority of the parties is not reached. Other thing is only a waste of time. And this is the world works, SV. Please be quiet. |
| Date | 20:23:41, February 02, 2006 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the Secular act, 2179 |
| Message | Rubbish, two parties declared their support for this bill, the fascism of the Socialists will not stop us from speaking. |
| Date | 22:14:07, February 02, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Secular act, 2179 |
| Message | Then, continue to talk to rocks. |
| Date | 00:41:06, February 03, 2006 CET | From | Black Magic | To | Debating the Secular act, 2179 |
| Message | Article 1 - having tax-free and taxable status simultaneously will be confusing if not unworkable. Article 3 - state involvement in religion (IE deciding which religions are "recognized") Article 4 - state involvement in religion (setting salaries and pensions) |
| Date | 01:10:31, February 03, 2006 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the Secular act, 2179 |
| Message | SL why should this be regulated? Please give an answer, stop proposing bills without mentioning the reasons. |
| Date | 09:33:38, February 03, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Secular act, 2179 |
| Message | Because we think freedom of religion is good, but we can't give the state of religion to something like New Age, Scienthology and similar things. About the article 4, priests are workers, then they need some representation. |
| Date | 12:21:15, February 03, 2006 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the Secular act, 2179 |
| Message | I still fail to see how one consider religion to be a 'business'. Priests are not workers in the normal sense of the word, because most priests have given up many privilidges to do their 'job'. For example Catholic Priests have given up their right to marry and have sexual relations, thus priesthood cannot be compared to a trade union in any way whatsoever. Also Article 2 is foul. How dare the government suggest that a govt. official can't wear a religious symbol. What if the person is wearing a religious tattoo, will he be fired? |
| Date | 12:24:21, February 03, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Secular act, 2179 |
| Message | A tattoo is no a wear, it seems. And about the article 4, I think that the possibility to have a salary for standard living is a good thing, also for ministries of cult. |
| Date | 12:27:11, February 03, 2006 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the Secular act, 2179 |
| Message | So there is nothing to stop a public official having a cross tattooed on their forehead? Then how can you complain about religious jewellry etc. Yes having a salery is a good thing, but why should the government decide what it is? When a priests consigns themself to a life of poverty, how is the government forcing them to have a wage fair? |
| Date | 14:16:42, February 03, 2006 CET | From | Northern Light | To | Debating the Secular act, 2179 |
| Message | I fail to see in what religion is different from selling oranges...oh..wait..i actually prefer fruits sellers to bubble-jubble speakers. About the exposition...it's easy..if the symbol is clearly visible, then you can't wear it. |
| Date | 15:21:37, February 04, 2006 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the Secular act, 2179 |
| Message | The the followers of the NL are lower than excrement in status. If you fail to see the difference between spirituality and fruit, then what right do you have to call yourselves human? Surely your total incoherance means that he leaders of the NL are either still at Nursury School, or are operating rom inside a mental hospital. |
| Date | 22:34:47, February 04, 2006 CET | From | Black Magic | To | Debating the Secular act, 2179 |
| Message | If the State is to be involved as the arbiter of religion, the State is then taking charge of religion. Regulation is control, and this bill involves the State in control and regulation of religion. This is not only against the principle of freedom of speech (which most often arises in the form of freedom of religion) but is tantamount to a State religion. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 50 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 17 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 33 |
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