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Bill: Artanian Union Motion of November 4120
Details
Submitted by[?]: Dorvisch Nationaldemokratische Partei
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes the withdrawal from a treaty. It will require half of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 4121
Description[?]:
| The NDP motions that the Artarian Union, as a union intended to break down borders and national strength of a nation (and one initiated by us, no less) be immediately withdrawn from, unless it were to be revised in such a way to allow Dorvisch supremacy within the Union itself. As it stands, this bill prevents us from moving freely militarily and keeps us beholden to other nations, while providing no true economic benefit and failing to further Dorvish interests. Therefore, the NDP moves to either retract from the treaty entirely, or rewrite it as an economic-defensive pact headed by the Dorvisch Republic. Maximilian Wolff, NDP Chair |
Proposals
Article 1
Withdraw from the Artanian Union (AU).
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:36:37, November 15, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Artanian Union Motion of November 4120 |
| Message | Mr. Wolff, there is no point in the Treaty bout Artanian Union that it's aim is to break down borders so that's first lie. Secondly the treaty clearly marks that no member would be asked to reign from its soverignity so that's second lie. The unity which the treaty has indeed written in it is about values... common for all Artanian nations... political values of respect for democracy, of respect for the human rights, of respect for the economic liberties of individuals, respect for the free market and yet you demonize the treaty by tellling that it strips us from our soverignity. We also feel disgused by your nationalistic gibberish. Why on earth should we have a privilidged position in this well thought organization which aim is to proivde and promote peace and liberty throughout the continent and has nothing in common with economic isolationism. The treaty has no point which limits state's independence on military aspects so that's yet another lie. We will wholeheartedly oppose this bill and will stand and protect the Artanian Union as its aim is to provide sustainable growth and secure free market. Aaron Posse, Leader of Dorvisch Soziale Union. |
| Date | 20:45:10, November 15, 2016 CET | From | Dorvisch Nationaldemokratische Partei | To | Debating the Artanian Union Motion of November 4120 |
| Message | Herr Posse, You will note that my initial claim made no claim that the stated goal of the Artanian Union was to destroy sovereignty. Instead, I claimed that the Union exists as an inherently globalistic organization, one that through the guise of cooperation and treatymaking binds us as, at best, equals, and at worst, subordinates under a collective union that does in fact 'break down borders'. The very fact that we move to bind our own hands with a treaty that leave us, and our people, beholden to some degree to an extra-national council and foreign interests is a disgrace. The government of Dorvik should be by Dorvik, for Dorvischmen. A free market can only be ensured at a national level; and a national competitive market is the goal of the NDP. How, exactly, does binding our economy to a regional interest help the people of Dorvik? How does the promotion of stagnation and foreign rights help the people of Dorvik? How does binding our military's interest help them? This union does nothing for the people of our grand nation, hampering the growth of OUR economy for the growth of a REGIONAL that benefits us less. It is an affront on every level, and the NDP will not stand for the sacrifice of the peace and prosperity of good Dorvischmen that a foreign nation might rest more comfortably from the fruits of our labor. Maximilian Wolff, NDP Chair |
| Date | 21:00:11, November 15, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Artanian Union Motion of November 4120 |
| Message | Mr. Wolff, The Artanian Union Treaty is not a military alliance... How does co-operating with other countries benefit us? Uhmm let me think, maybe 138 bn DDO worth of ivestments, constantly dropping unemployment and growing GDP is the answer to your false accusations. Mr. Speaker I cannot stand this nationalistic, isolationist blunder. "The union does nothing for people of our frand nation". Mr. Wolff the union financed the construction of our Highway System of which you may not be aware. The Union structural funds help to create jobs that's why the unemployment is dropping and its institutions are co-operating with national authorities to allocate work force and funds to create as much bennefit as it is possible.So get your facts sraight before making some stupid accusations. Thank you Mr. Speaker. Aaron Posse. |
| Date | 21:06:36, November 15, 2016 CET | From | Dorvisch Nationaldemokratische Partei | To | Debating the Artanian Union Motion of November 4120 |
| Message | Herr Posse, Should you examine the provisions of the Artanian Union, you would find the following: III.c - Membership warrants peace between members, any attack will result in temporary suspension for all involved parties. The same holds true from an attack externally of Artanian, ever member is expected to play a part in the defense of the member state however can chose to give humanitarian or economic aide instead of military aide. The Artanian Union does, in fact, hold military provisions, mandating peace between members and acting as a warped defensive pact between all signatory states. You are replacing cause with effect, Herr Posse. Cooperation with other nations requires no union to keep us squirming worms under its feet; our raw trade with nations within the 'AU' grants us far more income than any money the AU, which it collects from us, could possibly grant us. This is especially true considering that most of the money it 'financed' our systems with were, in fact, from our own coffers, given back to us as though from some kind of gift. I would advise you get YOUR facts straight before engaging, Herr Posse. You seem to know markedly little about your precious union, and even less about basic economics. Why should we skimp and beg for scraps of the taxes we collect from our own citizens, and allow a body that is not our own to dictate the terms of our trade and agreements? The only reason this could be viewed as positive would be one were of two things ; a simpleton, or a globalist. The second is worst that the first, as it seeks to build a wider nation of simpletons to dominate. Which one are you, Herr Posse? Maximilian Wolff, NDP Chair |
| Date | 21:06:54, November 15, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Artanian Union Motion of November 4120 |
| Message | Mr. Wolff, The Artanian Union Treaty is not a military alliance... How does co-operating with other countries benefit us? Uhmm let me think, maybe 138 bn DDO worth of ivestments, constantly dropping unemployment and growing GDP is the answer to your false accusations. Mr. Speaker I cannot stand this nationalistic, isolationist blunder. "The union does nothing for people of our frand nation". Mr. Wolff the union financed the construction of our Highway System of which you may not be aware. The Union structural funds help to create jobs that's why the unemployment is dropping and its institutions are co-operating with national authorities to allocate work force and funds to create as much bennefit as it is possible.So get your facts sraight before making some stupid accusations. Thank you Mr. Speaker. Aaron Posse. |
| Date | 21:18:04, November 15, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Artanian Union Motion of November 4120 |
| Message | Mr. Wolff, this provision is about mutual security but it does not make AU a military aliance. Show us some fugures. How much more income would we get from our raw trade? For the last four years I remind you that we recieved more investment from the AU than we had invested. Those funds were used to modernize our infrastructure and subsidize the budgets of Health Ministry and Education Ministry. Mr. Speaker, I suggest proceeding to voting, let's see how many of us agrees with Mr. Wolff. Aaron Posse. |
| Date | 22:14:06, November 15, 2016 CET | From | Dorvisch Nationaldemokratische Partei | To | Debating the Artanian Union Motion of November 4120 |
| Message | Herr Posse, You seem to think me as much of a simpleton as you are, to proceed with voting before early elections initiate and you are able to shut down this proposal with minimal support. I am unable to give you figures on how much more we could make from unregulated trading, but I can give you a guarantee that it would be a greater increment than with any regulation out of our own hands present. Furthermore, I would seek to remind this body of the source of all received funding; extra-national interests, the majority of which comes from our own tax dollars. As I have said, no true benefit can be found from the current state of the AU, save for globalists and simpletons. Maximilian Wolff, NDP Chair |
| Date | 22:36:54, November 15, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Artanian Union Motion of November 4120 |
| Message | Mr. Wolff, you see you can't.... another false, populist and stupid accusation. DNP seems to be the new "LIE-TO-GAIN' party... Our currency is Dorvikan DOLLGAR. You are unable to provide evidence for any of your accusations. Therefore this is probably the last time anyione from the DSU is having a conversation with you. Thank You Mr. Speaker. Aaron Posse. |
| Date | 22:55:50, November 15, 2016 CET | From | Dorvisch Nationaldemokratische Partei | To | Debating the Artanian Union Motion of November 4120 |
| Message | Herr Posse, Do you, perchance, have some form of brain damage? Since your literary seems already in question, considering your insistence that the defensive provisions and non-aggression articles outlined in the Artanian Union do not make it a military alliance, despite it rather openly being so, I will explain in-depth the economic provisions of the Union, for the benefit of such parties that are, at least, capable of independent thought. Within the Union's articles, the economic provisions are thus: II.e - The Artanian Representative Council may create, disband or temporarily suspend Committees which are designed to handle specific matters of the Union. However, tree permanent Committees exist and cannot be disbanded or suspended, they are the Governance and Rules Committee which is responsible for the administration and betterment of the Artanian Union, the Artanian Economic-Budget Committee which is responsible for the administrative financials of the Artanian Union and the Membership Committee which decides on the membership of all states, either current members, potentials or observers. The Membership Committee has a representative from each member state and can either suspend or revoke membership in the Union. III.a - Membership in the Artanian Union is limited to those nation states of Artania while observer status may be granted to those outside the Artanian continent. Membership in the Artanian Union requires a a member to pay a membership fee yearly, which is determined by a joint Budget proposed by the Membership Committee and the Artanian Economic-Budget Committee. The Artanian Union has seen this nation limited benefit, and its provisions give not only no benefit to Dorvik, but also mandate the payment of fees and the acceptance of regulations that work against our own national interests. Perhaps it is an unfortunate reality of attempting to defend defenseless globalistic positions, but the NDP would appreciate it if the DSU could at least keep their level of debate above fourth-grade insults. What will be more interesting to see is how such cowardly 'centrists' manage to keep any hold on stolen power with a genuine party of the people. |
| Date | 23:28:04, November 15, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Artanian Union Motion of November 4120 |
| Message | ooc: Are you really going to brag about my english? Really, you moron. It's not my first language you idiot. Aber wir konnen auf Deutch sprechen wenn du magst. Wir können Deutsch sprechen, und dann werden wir sehen, wer gut Dundorfian spricht... |
| Date | 13:01:43, November 16, 2016 CET | From | Dorvisch Nationaldemokratische Partei | To | Debating the Artanian Union Motion of November 4120 |
| Message | ((No, I was speaking entirely IC. But if you want to sling OOC insults over a game I guess we can do that too, since english is also not my first language. Perhaps you're just retarded.)) |
| Date | 13:28:58, November 16, 2016 CET | From | Dorvische Sozial Nationale Volkspartei | To | Debating the Artanian Union Motion of November 4120 |
| Message | Herr Speaker, This is a pointless discussion and the party's in question are insulting themselves and theyre supporters by acting childish. The Artanian Union stands firm and we fully support it. Every member has the right to keep theyre national sovereignty and this union is by no means one that defines national law. We suggest the DNP lowers its tone and makes decisions and suggestions worthy talking about. President Heindrig Aswalt, DKF |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 109 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 369 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 22 |
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