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Bill: Abortion Bill 4122
Details
Submitted by[?]: Parti Libéral
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 4123
Description[?]:
| Relatively self explanatory. We believe in choice. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortions are only allowed in medical emergencies.
Current: Abortion is allowed during the first trimester.
Proposed: Abortion is allowed during the first trimester.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:56:06, November 18, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | Abortions are a necessary evil when in medical emergencies. Abortions solely over flippant reasons are sickening. Zoé Crevier Leader of Parti de l'Impératrice Noire Member of the National Assembly from Sirdour |
| Date | 21:44:56, November 18, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | "Sickening," or a woman's right? It's not even developed by that point. We even-rather conservatively-restricted this to the first trimester to avoid this very argument. 'Flippant reasons' such as... hm, rape victims? Being unable to support them? This world has enough children, it's hardly damaging society. If you think it is some kind of murder, perhaps all contraception should be banned? They're barely even foetuses, Crevier. Louis Legrand Deputy Leader of le Parti Libéral Member of the National Assembly |
| Date | 21:53:03, November 18, 2016 CET | From | Travailleurs Radicaux | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | These unborn babies are future members of our working society and therefore killing them will be considered unlawful in our policies. We understand the points the Liberals have made however the percentage of abortions due to rapes would probably not be a huge factor. |
| Date | 21:59:23, November 18, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | Why do you think most people abort? They don't just do it for a laugh. Dany Leclère Leader of le Parti Libéral Minister for Justice Member of the National Assembly |
| Date | 22:28:56, November 18, 2016 CET | From | Travailleurs Radicaux | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | Of courses they wouldn't do it for a laugh however since the government provides free contraception we see pro-choice a meaningless statement when they could've controled it before they became pregnant and while we feel sorry for rape victims; on the whole abortions are unnecessary and kills future citizens. Alex Rocheford Health Minister |
| Date | 23:45:45, November 18, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | And those that were drunk..? Underage? Unable to support their children? Who having a child will risk their life? Not only this, but women have to carry these children. Surely they have the right to abort undeveloped foetuses? Let me remind you they are barely even humans at this point. Dany Leclère Leader of le Parti Libéral Minister for Justice Member of the National Assembly |
| Date | 23:49:10, November 18, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | A woman has the right to control her own body, not the bodies inside of her body. It's not even developed by that point. We even-rather conservatively-restricted this to the first trimester to avoid this very argument. Rape victims would come under emergencies. I don't see how you could not understand that. We all support rape victims in this chamber. Children are the future and human beings. They are not statistics of which there are 'too few' or 'too many'. Killing a cell is not something to be banned, but killing an early human being is - outside of emergencies. And the way the Travailleurs Radicaux was just spoken to was appalling. They never suggested women had abortions for fun. That is not even an argument. Woman should not be able to do because they get cold feet. That is their responsibility, and they should not kill innocent things because they've changed their minds. Legrand, sort yourself out and behave properly. Leclère, be civilised. Where is Quint? Why must your party be diluted with lunatics so frequently? Zoé Crevier Leader of Parti de l'Impératrice Noire Member of the National Assembly from Sirdour |
| Date | 14:29:46, November 19, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | Clearly this debate is not going anywhere. And I hasten to note that I do not believe either myself or Legrand have acted out of order. Quint is still within the party and holds a seat. He is simply no longer the leader or deputy leader. I do not think your party has the right to say any other is 'diluted with lunatics', given your history. Your the first sane leader I have encountered. Congratulations on your recent election as leader, Crevier, by the way. Dany Leclère Leader of le Parti Libéral Minister for Justice Member of the National Assembly |
| Date | 14:29:52, November 19, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | Clearly this debate is not going anywhere. And I hasten to note that I do not believe either myself or Legrand have acted out of order. Quint is still within the party and holds a seat. He is simply no longer the leader or deputy leader. I do not think your party has the right to say any other is 'diluted with lunatics', given your history. Your the first sane leader I have encountered. Congratulations on your recent election as leader, Crevier, by the way. Dany Leclère Leader of le Parti Libéral Minister for Justice Member of the National Assembly |
| Date | 14:29:52, November 19, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | Clearly this debate is not going anywhere. And I hasten to note that I do not believe either myself or Legrand have acted out of order. Quint is still within the party and holds a seat. He is simply no longer the leader or deputy leader. I do not think your party has the right to say any other is 'diluted with lunatics', given your history. Your the first sane leader I have encountered. Congratulations on your recent election as leader, Crevier, by the way. Dany Leclère Leader of le Parti Libéral Minister for Justice Member of the National Assembly |
| Date | 14:29:52, November 19, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | Clearly this debate is not going anywhere. And I hasten to note that I do not believe either myself or Legrand have acted out of order. Quint is still within the party and holds a seat. He is simply no longer the leader or deputy leader. I do not think your party has the right to say any other is 'diluted with lunatics', given your history. Your the first sane leader I have encountered. Congratulations on your recent election as leader, Crevier, by the way. Dany Leclère Leader of le Parti Libéral Minister for Justice Member of the National Assembly |
| Date | 14:29:52, November 19, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | Clearly this debate is not going anywhere. And I hasten to note that I do not believe either myself or Legrand have acted out of order. Quint is still within the party and holds a seat. He is simply no longer the leader or deputy leader. I do not think your party has the right to say any other is 'diluted with lunatics', given your history. Your the first sane leader I have encountered. Congratulations on your recent election as leader, Crevier, by the way. Dany Leclère Leader of le Parti Libéral Minister for Justice Member of the National Assembly |
| Date | 14:29:52, November 19, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | Clearly this debate is not going anywhere. And I hasten to note that I do not believe either myself or Legrand have acted out of order. Quint is still within the party and holds a seat. He is simply no longer the leader or deputy leader. I do not think your party has the right to say any other is 'diluted with lunatics', given your history. Your the first sane leader I have encountered. Congratulations on your recent election as leader, Crevier, by the way. Dany Leclère Leader of le Parti Libéral Minister for Justice Member of the National Assembly |
| Date | 16:51:51, November 19, 2016 CET | From | Travailleurs Radicaux | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | We can see this must be an important point for the liberals since they repeated it several times :D --- Charlotte Deleon Health Minister and TR Deputy Speaker |
| Date | 17:43:24, November 19, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | (OOC: *you're) |
| Date | 17:55:36, November 19, 2016 CET | From | Travailleurs Radicaux | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | Also, apologizes, it was infact Alex Rocheford, the Health minister and not Deleon (Finance) who made the earlier comments |
| Date | 19:56:50, November 19, 2016 CET | From | Parti Libéral | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | (OOC: I have no clue why it posted that like 5 times!? I didn't even refresh the page!?) |
| Date | 20:03:03, November 19, 2016 CET | From | Parti Unité | To | Debating the Abortion Bill 4122 |
| Message | Well thanks. Let us move forward. Zoé Crevier Leader of Parti de l'Impératrice Noire Member of the National Assembly from Sirdour |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 19 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 45 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 11 |
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