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Bill: Justice bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Traditionelle Völker Partei für Dorvik
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 4133
Description[?]:
| A bill to change our justice system. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's position towards the use of forensic DNA databases.
Old value:: DNA from persons accused or convicted for a crime is recorded.
Current: Only DNA from persons convicted of crime is recorded.
Proposed: All citizens' DNA is recorded.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards police presence.
Old value:: Presence of the police is left to the local governments.
Current: The police patrol public property at all times.
Proposed: The police patrol public property at all times.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Legality of judicial physical punishment
Old value:: All forms of physical punishment are illegal.
Current: All forms of physical punishment are illegal.
Proposed: Judicial corporal punishment (eg. caning or flogging) is legal.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:22:41, December 05, 2016 CET | From | Fortschrittsvereinigung | To | Debating the Justice bill |
| Message | Mr Speaker, This bill is far too dangerous, storing every citizens DNA, police patrolling all property at all time, legalizing caning and flogging. We cannot allow such an abuse of basic rights to pass! Felix Hoehmann, State Chancellor of the Dorvish Republic |
| Date | 01:36:19, December 05, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Justice bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Article 1. - Violation of Privacy, Article 2. - Violation of Privacy, Article 3. - Inhumane, Iohannis Libermann, DSU justice spokesman. |
| Date | 01:45:25, December 05, 2016 CET | From | Traditionelle Völker Partei für Dorvik | To | Debating the Justice bill |
| Message | Mr speaker, Article three ensures that the police can do their crime fighting job. Article two is an effective deterrent andounishment. Article one ensures we can catch all criminals. |
| Date | 08:16:38, December 05, 2016 CET | From | Sozialistische Zukunftspartei | To | Debating the Justice bill |
| Message | This is precisely the kind of Rightist-Dorvisch thought the Westmarkisch Linke Separatisten wish to spare the Westmarkisch people from. We are implacably opposed. |
| Date | 10:51:28, December 05, 2016 CET | From | Libertären Partei | To | Debating the Justice bill |
| Message | Mr. speaker, Why would we legalize caning or flogging? That would destroy the rehabilitation of criminals and increase the crime rate. And we want to leave police presence to local government because while neighborhoods with a high crime rate can benefit from police presence, neighborhoods with a low crime rate have no benefit from police presence. And a message to the westmarkisch Linke separatisten: Stop blaming dorvik for westmarkisch problems. Arend Beyer, Chairman of the freiheit partei. |
| Date | 18:12:44, December 05, 2016 CET | From | Traditionelle Völker Partei für Dorvik | To | Debating the Justice bill |
| Message | Mr speaker, Caning and flogging will quite literally beat the sense into people who dare to harm society and Dorvik's citizens. Of course flogging will only be given as a punishment for more severe crime. |
| Date | 22:20:30, December 05, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Justice bill |
| Message | Mr. Speker, Article 3. would ensure nothing more than police and other public safety authorities right to abuse suspects bu corporal punishments. NOTHING MORE. Since Death Penalty is one of punishments in our country we see no valid reason to allow for torture. Article 2. is nothing more than violation of private property, entrance withour a warrant is nothing more like tresspassing private property. Article 1. is nothing more than violation of privacy and collecting DNA from citizens who are not under criminal investigation and that is unacceptable. Aaron Posse. |
| Date | 21:29:07, December 08, 2016 CET | From | Traditionelle Völker Partei für Dorvik | To | Debating the Justice bill |
| Message | Mr speaker, Maybe mr Posse would like to have a good look at article 2. Article 2 clearly states the police can patrol PUBLIC property at all times. So this isn't buissnesses this isn't people's homes or property. This is public property, places owned by the government, like streets and railway stations. TheDSU are scaremongering and they're antagonising people's safety, seriously look at the facts. For a search on private property a warrant would have to still be obtained. Article 1 ensures the government knows everyone's DNA so that if a new criminal kills someone, but hasn't in the past. They can be tracked! However we would reach a dilemma if we searched everyone who had previously committed crime. Thank you. Derek Westmark, MP |
| Date | 21:35:19, December 08, 2016 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Justice bill |
| Message | Mr. Westmark, I am sorry for misreading that article but it does not changes our stance toward other articles. Aaron Posse, Staatskanzler der Dorvisch Republik |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 9 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 347 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 144 |
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