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Bill: Bill 17 : Title of stupidity
Details
Submitted by[?]: Government of Tropica
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 4160
Description[?]:
| Okay, I,ll be simple this time, there is no such thing as title of nobility, there are no count, no princess, no king, we are all humans and we all belong to the same race. If we do not abolish all title of nobility, heum.... I shall declare myself King of Baltusia. There, everyone has been warned, let's abolish them all. Alliance Male Co-Leader : Marnady Evil |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Titles of nobility.
Old value:: Titles of nobility are not granted, but their use is not forbidden.
Current: Titles of nobility may be granted only by the Head of State.
Proposed: No titles of nobility are granted or recognised, their use is forbidden.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:31:31, January 31, 2017 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Bill 17 : Title of stupidity |
| Message | Mr Evil, I am a republican but I do not see the need to change this law for the sake of it. It causes more problems than it solves. This law was primarily brought in to allow foreign diplomats to use their titles in this country and basically so we could extend diplomatic courtesy. Not recognising the titles of foreign dignitaries could lead to an unnecessary diplomatic faux pas. In addition, we also have a large Dundorfian population that migrated here a few decades ago, some have honorific titles - so why should they not use them if they wish as part of their cultural heritage? Thirdly, from my point of view you can call yourself what you want. A few years ago there was a fella who called himself the King of Baltusia too. He caused a bit of trouble because he tried to press his claim, but we saw him off... like we do with all troublemakers. The point is we are a republican country and all parties will staunchly defend our republican values. But having such a law in place is not endangering our republican system and it is expedient from our international standpoint and for our ability to integrate with other cultures. Patricia Grayson Foreign Secretary |
| Date | 17:59:28, January 31, 2017 CET | From | Government of Tropica | To | Debating the Bill 17 : Title of stupidity |
| Message | Wait, we are in Baltusia, not in Dunford. We don't have to respect some foreign laws. My brother is right. Alliance Male Co-Leader : Orianna Evil |
| Date | 18:37:31, January 31, 2017 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Bill 17 : Title of stupidity |
| Message | "We don't have to respect some foreign laws" How eloquent of you, Madame Evil! Although my previous statement has nothing to do with foreign law and rather more to do with respecting different cultures and diplomatic etiquette, your brutish attempt to sum up your thoughts on international relations demonstrates how out of touch you are and how dangerous it would be for your party to be anywhere close to power. Patricia Grayson Foreign Secretary |
| Date | 20:27:41, January 31, 2017 CET | From | Government of Tropica | To | Debating the Bill 17 : Title of stupidity |
| Message | Madame Grayson If I were to live in Dunford, I would live there according to Dunford costum, so I fail to see why Dunfordian living can't live according to Baltusian costum, rather then Dunfordian costum, they are not in their own country, they are in our. Sure, it would be dangerous for our party to come to power, we'll declare Baltusia to be a neutral and not participate in any war, which will baltusian do due to depression. When we'll get the ministry of environnement, the tree are going to hug us back, and the majority of baltusian will end us lost in the world. Oh do not vote for PLCA, for you will not enjoy pollution, you will no longer have to work hard to get healed and you will not longer be sent to wat for no reason. I have to agree, we are an extremely dangerous party. Alliance Female Co-Leader : Orianna Evil |
| Date | 11:51:25, February 01, 2017 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Bill 17 : Title of stupidity |
| Message | And what about foreign diplomats, Madame Evil? Or does this bill not apply to them - in which case please stipulate. Patricia Grayson Foreign Secretary |
| Date | 19:53:46, February 01, 2017 CET | From | Government of Tropica | To | Debating the Bill 17 : Title of stupidity |
| Message | There are currently law on foreign diplomats, I believe your answer lay there. Currently, it would foreign diplomat whole have right to use their title of nobility, but if that is your only concern, you should criticise this law, but the law on foreign diplomacy. Alliance Female Co-Leader : Orianna Evil OOC : The government's policy concerning diplomatic immunity. Diplomats are exempt from prosecution for criminal acts but not from civil lawsuits, but may still be expelled because of criminal acts. |
| Date | 20:35:24, February 01, 2017 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Bill 17 : Title of stupidity |
| Message | So, if this bill passes a foreign diplomat is forbidden from using a noble title in Baltusia because it would be against the law. Any diplomat who breaks the law can be expelled under the existing diplomatic immunity law. So I ask you to stipulate again: if you are in government and a foreign diplomat said in a speech in this country, "hello, I'm Duke Fred ambassador from..." would you round up this diplomat and expel him for breaking the law? It is important we know where you stand. Patricia Grayson Foreign Secretary |
| Date | 20:55:09, February 01, 2017 CET | From | Government of Tropica | To | Debating the Bill 17 : Title of stupidity |
| Message | We are in favor of changeing the diplomacy laws. We wonder why the patriotic party is preoccupied by diplomats, when they passed a very repressive laws, which allow to prosecution for civil lawsuit and to be expelled because of criminals acts. We believe it would be fairer, to protect them and get agreement with others countries, so that diplomats accused of a crime in Baltusia, will be prosecuted in their country. I am sure our collegues of the UPN would be open to talk about diplomatie.. Yeah, in fact, it should be Xael who should be taken about this subject, but today she's sick.. Religious Tolerance Club Co-Female Leader : Oriana Evil OOC : yeah, sorry.. about that. confusion about my owns leaders.... |
| Date | 21:41:39, February 01, 2017 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Bill 17 : Title of stupidity |
| Message | I am the Foreign Secretary... that is why I am preoccupied by diplomats. It's my job! Thank you for finally giving me an answer. So in order for this law to be effective you need to repeal another law, which will allow diplomats full immunity to all crimes - rape, murder, theft etc just so they can legally call themselves Duke or prince. OK at least the voters and other parties know where you stand on this one now. Patricia Grayson Foreign Secretary Foreign Secretary |
| Date | 21:50:24, February 01, 2017 CET | From | Government of Tropica | To | Debating the Bill 17 : Title of stupidity |
| Message | Mr speaker, that why we have deals with others countries I am working on a law that would protect diplomats from all lawsuit, without changeing the other law, which allow the Foreign Affairs office to decide which country can set an ambassady here, to prevent such case from happening we have solutions we do not allow barbaric countries to have a embassy in Baltusia And we ask country whose ambassador are accused of crime to engage recall their ambassador and engage prosecution. Countries should be responsable for the acts of their ambassadors. Union of Peace and Neutrality Female Co-Leader : Quinn Green |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 209 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 438 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 53 |
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