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Bill: OOC: National Name Change brainstorm
Details
Submitted by[?]: HDV-Doumeitō
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 4250
Description[?]:
| I think it's time to change the national name to mark a new period in the nation's history under a new regime (I think the current one is a bit too pre-war German for my tastes and doesn't fit the multi-party democracy we're aiming for; I think Polites is with me on this). Since (as I assume) many of the characteristics of the system as it prevailed in the Crownlands might be returning (and because it's a unique denomination for a nation), I would prefer personally to return to a name of the form "X Crownlands of Mikuni-Hulstria". A few suggestions (in German for my personal convenience, of course to be converted to Hulstro-Mikun): - Freie Kaiserliche Kronländer Mikuni-Hulsterreichs (Free Imperial Crownlands of Mikuni-Hulstria): has the drawback of having been the name of the Septembrist rival government. - Vereinte Kaiserliche Kronländer Mikuni-Hulsterreichs (United Imperial Crownlands): same, but then for the fact that it's the name of Septembrist H&GS. - Kaiserliche Eidgenossenschaft der Kronländer Mikuni-Hulsterreichs/Kaiserliche Eidgenossenschaft der Mikuni-Hulsterreichische Kronländer (Imperial Federation of the Crownlands of Mikuni-Hulstria/of the Mikuni-Hulstrian Crownlands): I thought "Eidgenossenschaft", as in the Swiss German national name, would be cool if we decide to retain the Cantons as a sub-Crownland level of administration. Even without it. - Kaiserliche Bund der Kronländer Mikuni-Hulsterreichs: the same as above but without "Eidgenossenschaft" - Die im Reichsversammlung vertretene Kronländer Mikunis und Hulsterreichs ("the Crownlands of Mikuni and Hulstria represented in the Imperial Assembly"): a bit too old-fashioned but could be an official long name or formula used in the enacting formula. Any suggestions/comments/etc.? |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:40:12, February 07, 2017 CET | From |  Hōōkai | To | Debating the OOC: National Name Change brainstorm |
| Message | Personally I like the "Bund" version. And I agree in general with a "X Cronlands of Mikuni-Hulstria" style name. |
| Date | 15:08:26, February 07, 2017 CET | From | Hausu Serujaku-Rabuzubāgu | To | Debating the OOC: National Name Change brainstorm |
| Message | Bear in mind that names which seem a reasonable length in German have a tendency to be become ridiculously long in Hulstro-Mikuni |
| Date | 15:10:21, February 07, 2017 CET | From | HDV-Doumeitō | To | Debating the OOC: National Name Change brainstorm |
| Message | Let me run them all through the converters. |
| Date | 15:16:06, February 07, 2017 CET | From | HDV-Doumeitō | To | Debating the OOC: National Name Change brainstorm |
| Message | Furaie Kaisāritchi Kuronrendā Mikuni-Hārusutōraikusu Bārainto Kaisāritchi Kuronrendā Mikuni-Hārusutōraikusu Kaisārīchi Aidogenosenshafuto de Kuronrendā Mikuni-Hārusutōraikusu Kaisārīchi Bundo de Kuronrendā Mikuni-Hārusutōraikusu Dī īmu rēkusufāsamurūngu fātoreten Kuronrendā Mikuni-Hārusutōraikusu I do like "Aidogenosenshafuto". |
| Date | 15:19:24, February 07, 2017 CET | From | HDV-Doumeitō | To | Debating the OOC: National Name Change brainstorm |
| Message | Any preferences/suggestions, CS? |
| Date | 15:20:09, February 07, 2017 CET | From | Hausu Serujaku-Rabuzubāgu | To | Debating the OOC: National Name Change brainstorm |
| Message | Some none-Crownland concepts: Pārēmentāaisuken Monāchie Mikuni-Harusutoria (Parlamentarischen Monarchie Mikuni-Hulsterreichs) - Parliamentary Monarchy of Mikuni-Hulstria Parlamentarischen Gurōraiku Mikuni-Harusutoria (Parlamentarisches Großreich Mikuni-Hulsterreichs) - Parliamentary Great Reich of Mikuni-Hulstria Konsutexitatexianeru Monāchie Mikuni-Harusutoria (Konstitutionelle Monarchie Mikuni-Hulsterreichs) - Constitutional Monarchy of Mikuni-Hulstria Bear in mind these names should ideally translate into Japanese smoothly too. |
| Date | 15:22:33, February 07, 2017 CET | From | Hausu Serujaku-Rabuzubāgu | To | Debating the OOC: National Name Change brainstorm |
| Message | Crownlands does have a history but I think something more explicit about what the political system actually is will be better. A Crownland could be just as authoritarian as a great empire. I'm leaning towards "Constitutional Monarchy" because I think most players could guess what that means just from looking at "Konsutexitatexianeru Monāchi." |
| Date | 15:24:38, February 07, 2017 CET | From | Hausu Serujaku-Rabuzubāgu | To | Debating the OOC: National Name Change brainstorm |
| Message | Constitutional Monarchy in Japanese is "Rikkenkunshuseitai" so it would be "Rikkenkunshuseitai Mikuni-Harusutoria" or "Mikuni-Harusutoria Rikkenkunshuseitai" (whatever makes more grammatical sense). |
| Date | 15:27:13, February 07, 2017 CET | From | Hausu Serujaku-Rabuzubāgu | To | Debating the OOC: National Name Change brainstorm |
| Message | Constitutional Monarchy in Japanese is "Rikkenkunshuseitai" so it would be "Rikkenkunshuseitai Mikuni-Harusutoria" or "Mikuni-Harusutoria Rikkenkunshuseitai" (whatever makes more grammatical sense). |
| Date | 15:28:17, February 07, 2017 CET | From | HDV-Doumeitō | To | Debating the OOC: National Name Change brainstorm |
| Message | I think people don't really look at the national name. For one, it's in a weird language (no offence). I think it's easier to maintain internal consistency, which means that in-universe the phrase "Crownlands of X" has pretty strong democratic connotations. Hence why I think it gives a proper break with the past centuries in a way that "Monarchy" or "Great Reich" doesn't. Besides, if a nation has to say it's democratic or parliamentary in its national name, it really isn't. How many "Democratic Republics" are actually democracies? The form of government is "constitutional monarchy", that isn't usually referenced in the state's official name. Especially monarchies tend to lean towards names with tradition and I think "Crownlands" (not just for H&GS but also for Greater Hulstria, which was a democratic state) has a pretty strong connotation framers would want to express. |
| Date | 15:36:13, February 07, 2017 CET | From | Hōōkai | To | Debating the OOC: National Name Change brainstorm |
| Message | I agree re. Crownlands, it does have a nice sound to it, and the name of old Greater Hulstria and H&GS subtly suggested that it was the Crownlands rather than Hulstria or Hulstria and Gao-Soto that was the sovereign entity. Crownland(s) is also a very short word in Japanese, Karyō. |
| Date | 15:44:47, February 07, 2017 CET | From | HDV-Doumeitō | To | Debating the OOC: National Name Change brainstorm |
| Message | Which is ironic because in H&GS that was the part that got sort of abolished (hence "United Imperial Crownlands", sovereignty was explicitly vested on the national level). But the structure of H&GS was still vaguely German-style cooperative federalism (especially since the Länderrat got established). |
| Date | 16:31:50, February 09, 2017 CET | From | Hōōkai | To | Debating the OOC: National Name Change brainstorm |
| Message | Why not just go with "Imperial Crownlands of Mikuni-Hulstria"? It's simple, straightforward, has great historical significance, and it's almost the same as the title during the Greater Hulstrian era - since we're to some extent returning to the Greater Hulstrian political system, just with a different ethnic balance. |
| Date | 15:40:54, February 13, 2017 CET | From | HDV-Doumeitō | To | Debating the OOC: National Name Change brainstorm |
| Message | OOC: I could live with "Imperial Crownlands", but I'd dispute that we're returning to the Greater Hulstria system. In effect, it still looks more like Septembrist H&GS than the more reserved Greater Hulstria era. But that doesn't change that there's probably no need for another adjective. With Septembrist H&GS there was a reason for "United". We don't quite have that. |
| Date | 21:26:23, July 31, 2017 CET | From |  Moderation | To | Debating the OOC: National Name Change brainstorm |
| Message | OOC: Archiving. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |
| abstain |
Total Seats: 284 |
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