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Bill: Religious Reform Act of 2182 Part A
Details
Submitted by[?]: Malivianese Militarist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2187
Description[?]:
| It is resolved that: Teacher led prayer in schools that are not religious is prohibited. Government officials may not wear prominent religious symbols in the exercise of their duties. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The state's policy concerning religious clothing.
Old value:: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Current: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Proposed: Public officials are not allowed to wear religious symbols while exercising their duties.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Current: Teacher-led prayers are mandatory in schools.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:40:55, February 08, 2006 CET | From | Meritocratic Progressive Union | To | Debating the Religious Reform Act of 2182 Part A |
| Message | Article 1: Taxation of religion is taxation of thought. And might restrict the freedom of it. Unacceptable. Article 2: Acceptable, wearing religious symbols in public would discriminate certain religions. Article 3: It is the duty of any teacher or any educating entity to make the students come into contact with as many new things as possible. A restriction of that is unacceptable. |
| Date | 19:07:06, February 08, 2006 CET | From |  Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform Act of 2182 Part A |
| Message | Absurd! The taxation of a body whose sole purpose is to help mankind and give aid to others is beyond belief. WE should encourage the work of these bodies as it makes the government's job easier. Why tax a religious institution, and have that money funneled through several levels of departmental waste only to spend it on the same person who the help was going to in the first place. Secondly a ban on religious garments or symbols is the beginning of the persecution of those of faith. Why not ban dangling earrings or black shoes? A person should be permitted to wear or not wear what they wish. Finally local freedoms should extend in this instance. The right of a local school to determine what is best for its students should override some law passed a thousand km away. |
| Date | 22:41:08, February 08, 2006 CET | From | Meritocratic Progressive Union | To | Debating the Religious Reform Act of 2182 Part A |
| Message | Article 2: A ban of religious clothing for people that are working in a position in which they have a role as an example is not more than logical. If a person, working for the governement is seen wearing the symbols of one religion, won't the people living the other religions feel discriminated upon? Causing tensions between our populations in the process? Article 3: Leaving such an important decision to local governements is taking away the objective and loving eye of people of one region towards people of another region. We all know that a religious organisation with the wrong motives can build up a substantial influence in a region. And who can be the watchdog in this case? The governement who is much harder to influence. |
| Date | 00:46:03, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Malivianese Militarist Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform Act of 2182 Part A |
| Message | Article 1: The church cannot be favored in the eyes of the people's government. If equality is to be born, then shouldn't all institutions be equal? It is clear the church rarely helps people on an even basis and the taxation of income would go to programs that provide for equality. Article 2: We thank the Meritocratic Progressive Union for their support. We wish to point out to the Protectorate Party that they have grossly mis-interpreted the reform we propose. People employed by the people's government shouldn't wear any prominent religious symbol in the exercise of their duties. This is in no way persecution, rather a safeguard so that the nation does not become the religious state that the Protectorate Party wants it to become. Article 3: We understand the closure of an experience within this proposal, however that is why we are not proposing to prohibit teacher led prayers in religious schools. Also notice that student led prayers are still permissible. This proposal follows along the line of Article 2. The teachers of our people in the employ of the people's government should not impress personal religious values in class regardless of whether the school allows it. The school is an institution of government, not a government entity itself. |
| Date | 02:16:36, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Meritocratic Progressive Union | To | Debating the Religious Reform Act of 2182 Part A |
| Message | Article 1: Still unacceptable. Article 3: Point taken. Acceptable. |
| Date | 05:02:55, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Malivianese Militarist Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform Act of 2182 Part A |
| Message | Does the Meritocratic Progressive Union have an offer of compromise or are they completely against the change? |
| Date | 05:35:08, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform Act of 2182 Part A |
| Message | Again we stress that preventing a person from wearing a symbol of their faith at any time is an unacceptable intrusion into their lives. Soon we will be no better then the DDR (Dundorf) and ban any thought we disagree with. We must stand firm on the right of a person to wear what they please when they please. |
| Date | 11:41:46, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Meritocratic Progressive Union | To | Debating the Religious Reform Act of 2182 Part A |
| Message | So should we allow our military and our other uniformed governemental representatives to wear whatever they would like? No, of course we shouldn't. When a person representing our governement is at work, he or she is representing everyone in our natioon. Not simply those of one particular religion. And we are 100% against the change. We feel that the current law saying that Recognized religions are not taxed is even going too far, since it discriminates on non-recognized religions. |
| Date | 22:41:32, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Malivianese Militarist Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform Act of 2182 Part A |
| Message | Well, that is why we are attempting to change it so that we apply all taxes on all religions. Since the MPU doesn't like how it is now, what does it suggest that article is changed to? Also, is this a deal breaker where as if you go agree with this article, your vote on this measure will be no? ~For the Federation!~ |
| Date | 15:08:24, February 10, 2006 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform Act of 2182 Part A |
| Message | Strike 1, and I will vote for this. Otherwise I'm afraid I'll have to vote against the entire thing. |
| Date | 11:13:45, February 11, 2006 CET | From | Imperial Malivian Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform Act of 2182 Part A |
| Message | Basfamy |
| Date | 02:06:07, February 17, 2006 CET | From | Malivianese Militarist Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform Act of 2182 Part A |
| Message | The taxation proposal has been stricken. |
| Date | 19:34:05, February 17, 2006 CET | From | Malivianese Militarist Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform Act of 2182 Part A |
| Message | We ask why the MPU has voted against this when we have removed the taxation proposal... |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 93 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 139 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 69 |
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