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Bill: Our Nation, Our Pride
Details
Submitted by[?]: Meritocratic Progressive Union
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2184
Description[?]:
| It is horrible to see that any company may abuse the flag of our proud nation. Can we afford to connect ourselves with any particular commercial product or service. Or are we even allowed to enter the commercial arena. To protect and encourage commerciality we should give no backing whatsoever to any company, trough our flag that is. Our nation is our pride. And it is not more than fit to see this among our children. Let them sing our beautifull national anthem on special occasions. Give them the opportunity to feel truly Malivian, connected to the rest of the country. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National policy regarding the desecration of the national flag.
Old value:: There are no regulations regarding the desecration or use of the national flag.
Current: The national flag may not be desecrated or used for commercial purposes.
Proposed: The national flag may not be used for commercial purposes.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Singing the national anthem in schools.
Old value:: Children are never made to sing the national anthem.
Current: Children are made to sing the national anthem at the commencement of school each day.
Proposed: Children are only made to sing the national anthem on special occasions.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:55:56, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Social Democrat League | To | Debating the Our Nation, Our Pride |
| Message | Article 1: Although the national flag is part of what defines our nation, it is not the most important issue. We should allow the flag to be used in the way the citizens want to use it. After all, what is our nation if not for it's citizens? We must also be able to tolerate criticism on the way the country is run, and the flag symbolises our country. Article 2: Ridiculous, children should never be forced to sing a song they do not want to sing, if they so desire to learn the national anthem and sing it loud and proud on the streets, so be it. (or they could just watch Firefly) |
| Date | 17:01:06, February 09, 2006 CET | From |  Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Our Nation, Our Pride |
| Message | We agree with the SDP in these matters. (but deny any connection of our national anthem to a TV show, it was previously based off of the Immigrant Song by Led Zepplin) Our Flag is a symbol of our country and should be widely used by our people to display their pride in their nation whenever they feel. |
| Date | 17:02:26, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Meritocratic Progressive Union | To | Debating the Our Nation, Our Pride |
| Message | Article 1: Should we connect our nation, our governement to any commercial centure? This is very dangerous. Article 2: Children are forced to do a lot of things in schools. They should feel what it is to be Malivian. They should feel connected to every other Malivian. Children have to come in touch with a lot of things, and shouldn't patritism be one of them? |
| Date | 17:19:12, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Social Democrat League | To | Debating the Our Nation, Our Pride |
| Message | Just because commercial enterprises use our flag, does not mean the government supports that venture, or is connected to it in any way. (The SDP doesn't listen to Led Zepplin) We do not believe singing the national anthem is necessary for a good education. We will just have to rely on their natural patriotism. |
| Date | 17:23:51, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Meritocratic Progressive Union | To | Debating the Our Nation, Our Pride |
| Message | Yes, the governement knows that. But do the people in the streets know that? And would we want our nation connected with possibly dangerous products? If you count on natural patritotism... Do you count all other abilities and teachings given by schools to come natural too? |
| Date | 17:28:41, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Social Democrat League | To | Debating the Our Nation, Our Pride |
| Message | If we make it clear, I believe they will. And what do you consider to be possibly dangerous products? It seems to me that truly dangerous items are against the law in any case. As I said before, we do not believe patriotism is a vital part of someone's life. Even so, by forcing children to sing the national anthem, we would hardly be increasing their patriotism. More so, children do not like what they are forced to do. |
| Date | 17:40:19, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Meritocratic Progressive Union | To | Debating the Our Nation, Our Pride |
| Message | No they are not. If any company would sell prducts that, despite thorough checking by the health department, would prove to be unhealthy after all then the products would be connected to our flag and nation, thus damaging it's image. And don't forget our flag represents ALL our citizens. Not only those of one particular company. If the National Anthem is brought to them as al possibly boring subjects are brought to them the they would hardly mind, would they? It wouldn't be to encourage patriotism, it would be to have them see a vital part of our history and our culture. Why are we a nation if our citizens aren't connected to each other trough what makes us a nation, our flag and our anthem? We are sure they ARE connected in spirit, we should aim to underline that with this bill, to show children that our country is more than a burocracy. |
| Date | 17:57:07, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Social Democrat League | To | Debating the Our Nation, Our Pride |
| Message | That is why we must make absolutely clear that the government does not support any commercial products. This is afterall not what our economy is all about. We do not support (or should not) commercial products now, nor will we in the future, despite the use of our flag. Then we should teach them that history and culture. Malivia has existed for a long time, plenty of history to talk about. And our art isn't something we should ashamed of either. It's true our flag and anthem are connected to our nation, but they aren't everything our nation is about. Symbols only go so far, actions are what define the very nature of the country. |
| Date | 18:14:12, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Meritocratic Progressive Union | To | Debating the Our Nation, Our Pride |
| Message | That is what this bill is all about: "The national flag may not be used for commercial purposes." Then le tthem sing the anthem, THAT is an action. It is not about being connected to a song or a flag but about being connected to every other Malivian. Or at least let make them aquinted with patriotism, they might like it. |
| Date | 18:42:45, February 09, 2006 CET | From | Social Democrat League | To | Debating the Our Nation, Our Pride |
| Message | It's just it that the flag should be able to be used for commercial purposes, but it has to be made clear that the government has nothing to do with that. That's why there is no law regulating it. Patriotism is giving the people something to be proud about, and this can often be found in history and 'fun facts'. The people can be proud of a military victory, or a moral victory. Or for example they can be proud that Malivia was the first country to invent a certain product. You can still be proud about the anthem without singing it. It's our anthem, whether we sing it or not. That is what connects Malivians. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 132 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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