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Bill: Military Reform 4187
Details
Submitted by[?]: Bund Demokratischer Sozialisten
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 4188
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning biological and chemical weaponry.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Current: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Proposed: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in warfare for any reason.
Current: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to nuclear weapons in retaliation to a nuclear, chemical or biological attack.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards the use of land mines by the army.
Old value:: The use of land mines is allowed.
Current: The use of land mines is allowed.
Proposed: The use of land mines is prohibited.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Nation's policy with regards to an intelligence agency.
Old value:: The nation has an intelligence agency that is permitted by law to undertake all types of covert operations in other countries.
Current: The nation has an intelligence agency, but it is limited to counter-intelligence and surveillance of other countries.
Proposed: The nation has an intelligence agency, but it is limited to counter-intelligence and surveillance of other countries.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:10:41, March 29, 2017 CET | From | Ein Dorvik | To | Debating the Military Reform 4187 |
| Message | Do these people want us to be blackmailed and defeated by terrorists, or rouge nations? |
| Date | 18:14:07, March 29, 2017 CET | From | Bund Demokratischer Sozialisten | To | Debating the Military Reform 4187 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, You suggest we should attack terrorists with nuclear weapons? Michael Hinterbacher, 1. Parteivorsitzender |
| Date | 18:17:26, March 29, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Military Reform 4187 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Maybe we should entirely get rid of Federal Intelligence Agency? We are saddened by the fact that Progress Democrats voted in favor of this dangerous proposal. Alexander Juncker. |
| Date | 18:21:32, March 29, 2017 CET | From | Bund Demokratischer Sozialisten | To | Debating the Military Reform 4187 |
| Message | Mr. Juncker, I think it's fair to limit the Intelligence Agency to counter-intelligence and self-defence. Why would the KU want our nation to act as the aggressor on the world stage? Michael Hinterbacher, 1. Parteivorsitzender |
| Date | 18:25:43, March 29, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Military Reform 4187 |
| Message | Mr. Hinterbacher, have you ever heard of a term "prevention" and "coersion". With this legislation our nation will be posed to danger and our FIA will not be able to take preventive action to secure Dorvik. Alexander Juncker, Federal Chancellor. |
| Date | 18:30:10, March 29, 2017 CET | From | Bund Demokratischer Sozialisten | To | Debating the Military Reform 4187 |
| Message | Mr. Juncker, dubbing it "prevention" won't make it any less of an aggression. We are still allowed to surveillance other nations, so threats can be detected and eliminated as an action of self-defence. Michael Hinterbacher, 1. Parteivorsitzender |
| Date | 18:37:32, March 29, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Military Reform 4187 |
| Message | Mr. Hinterbacher, It is just not true. It's a lie. Self-defense is not the same what prevention. Alexander Juncker. |
| Date | 18:48:15, March 29, 2017 CET | From | Bund Demokratischer Sozialisten | To | Debating the Military Reform 4187 |
| Message | Mr. Juncker, Then please explain why it's not true. Self-defence is indeed not prevention and I never claimed that. Through surveillance we can detect threats early on and eliminate them, if they would be an attack on our nation (self-defence). This process is called prevention. The only thing we need to prevent an action is to know of it before it happens, gathering said information is still posible under the proposed legislation. Michael Hinterbacher, 1. Parteivorsitzender |
| Date | 19:00:17, March 29, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Union | To | Debating the Military Reform 4187 |
| Message | Mr. Hinterbacher, Threats will not be eliminated, preventive action would eliminate threats, with legislation that you are proposing the FIA will be able to counter-act in case of an attack so not a threat. Prevention is much more than just self-defense and counter-act. You are weakening our security and weakening our nation. I urge the Progress Democrats to vote against it. Alexander Juncker, Federal Chancellor. |
| Date | 19:33:08, March 29, 2017 CET | From | Bund Demokratischer Sozialisten | To | Debating the Military Reform 4187 |
| Message | Mr. Juncker, "Prevention is much more than just self-defense and counter-act." Then what is? You talk all the time about how I am wrong but never present what the actual "truth" is. Why should we meddle in the affairs of nations that don't affect us. Isn't this kind of interfering what the KU disliked about the AU? Michael Hinterbacher, 1. Parteivorsitzender |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 261 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 226 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 18 |
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| Random quote: "A democracy that does not allow limits is not a democracy. Just as a limitless freedom is not freedom, but prevarication. Indeed, any theory of freedom worthy of this name is first of all a limit theory. If we extend the unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not willing to defend a tolerant society against the attacks of the intolerants, then the tolerants will be destroyed and the tolerance with them! Because, I ask to myself and ask you, given a certain system that we call democratic, which is today the best possible system to allow everyone to live freely and to be able to express their own thoughts, how can the same system admit attacks against its integrity? How can a system refuse the principle of the self-preservation? For this reason, to suppress the apologetics of thalerrism, it's for this reason that the exaltation of exegetes, principles, facts or methods of Thallerism and its anti-democratic aims does not constitute a violation of the freedom of manifestation of thought, but, on the contrary, the celebration of that freedom. The protection of the first premise on which a modern democratic system is based. And this premise must be safeguarded also and above all against itself and its abuses." ~ Malik Astori, Leadership of Liberty and Progress (Istalia) |