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Bill: Military Service Act 4226
Details
Submitted by[?]: Socialist-Modernist Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 4226
Description[?]:
| While we acknowledge the fact it will increase military strength, compulsory military service for every citizen is an infringement of human rights. People should have the right to choose and should be exempted if they have conditions meaning it would be difficult for them to perform it. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards civilians who conscientiously object to being required to perform military service (if applicable).
Old value:: It is a criminal offence to refuse to perform military service.
Current: Conscientious objectors are exempted.
Proposed: Conscientious objectors are exempted.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Proposed: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:38:50, June 12, 2017 CET | From | Socialist-Modernist Alliance | To | Debating the Military Service Act 4226 |
| Message | To The Presidium, As the creator of this bill, we feel it is an infringement of human rights to make military or civilian national service mandatory. People should have rights: these include the right to choice and the right to safety. If you do not wish to, you do not have to. It is a lie told that this will weaken our military as the young people forced to serve in the military are inexperienced and many can hinder rather than help. Yours, Inlay Goway, Secretary of the SMP. |
| Date | 05:41:28, June 13, 2017 CET | From | Metzian Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Military Service Act 4226 |
| Message | M.Speaker, I think the bill is unnecessary.This is no infringement of human rights,and mandatory civilian service or military service will be a great boost to our young adults. Philippe Henna UDHFU Chairwomen |
| Date | 08:20:52, June 13, 2017 CET | From | Socialist-Modernist Alliance | To | Debating the Military Service Act 4226 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, In what way is military or civilian service this a boost to our young adults? Compulsory military service can only hinder further education and employment. After they finish serving, the chances of them finding employment is low. To have more intelligent citizens is a step on the pathway to success. Inlay Goway, SMP Secretary |
| Date | 10:03:48, June 13, 2017 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Military Service Act 4226 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Inlay Goway is talking nonsense. The military offers a wide range of skillsets, as it employs persons from a wide range of fields, including mechanics, engineers, doctors, tailors, computer specialists, and so on. Additionally, the current law is not about compulsory military service. Graduates can engage in civilian national service as well, which would involve them working in the public sector. They are paid when they do this work, and they are guaranteed these temporary jobs; this allows them to have work experience so that they can easily find jobs after they're done. -- Linton Jager, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade & Industry, Vice President of 2GDR Lodamun |
| Date | 19:56:52, June 13, 2017 CET | From | Socialist-Modernist Alliance | To | Debating the Military Service Act 4226 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker It is frustrating for us that your ignorant policies mean young people are diadvantaged. Firstly, The rate of pay for these civilian national service jobs are, put quite frankly, terrible. Young people are later being put in financial trouble by not being allowed to find early employment and good pay. Secondly, The lies you are telling that this gives people experience is a fair one, however if it is experience the employer is looking for, they would employ an older person with more experience. Thirdly, The compulsory nation civilian or military service means university and further education quality is lacking and more people are choosing not to go at all. University and further education is important. If they wish to serve in the military or complete civilian national service, they can, but the fact they must do this before getting further education is a disadvantage to the future of Lodamun and the Lodamese people. Finally, At the SMP, we believe that people should have the right to choose their future, and that this current legislation is an infringement of human rights. The right if choice is very important. How would you feel if that right was taken from you, Mr. Speaker? Inlay Goway, SMP Head Secretary. |
| Date | 19:58:41, June 13, 2017 CET | From | Socialist-Modernist Alliance | To | Debating the Military Service Act 4226 |
| Message | To all parties, After lengthy debate, I have concluded that this new legislation will go to voting in April 4226. Geogren Imwan, Leader of the SMP. |
| Date | 07:59:41, June 14, 2017 CET | From | Metzian Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Military Service Act 4226 |
| Message | M.Speaker, It is really frustrating for the people of Lodamun to see how blind Inlay Goway is. Firstly, The rate of pay for Civilian National Service is not terrible and our budget for internal affairs is enough to clarify this and there has been no complaints from anywhere on these parts and we have a working DWC. Secondly, experience is no magic,people earn it and its government's responsibility to provide opportunities to do so.For young adults,i think it will be a fantastic experience for them to work with experienced people.Kind of an early internship. Thirdly, Nonsense.During high school period a student goes through an enforced curriculum.There is no choice during school education systems(yes,there are some optional subjects but thats not the point),but after that students are entering into a vast world of opportunities and choices.And providing them to interact with Civilian services or military service,will give the students enough knowledge about which studies they should pursue in higher studies to get their desired jobs. This is effective since the government has its hold in almost all working,service sectors.Be it industrial or space research. Finally, I think SMP have nonsensical beliefs about human rights,as we said students are free to make their choices,we are only providing them some sense of responsibility and direction so that our young adult can make edible and productive choices Pepper reiga Ministry of Internal Affairs |
| Date | 08:21:39, June 14, 2017 CET | From | Socialist-Modernist Alliance | To | Debating the Military Service Act 4226 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I don't think you are quite getting the points I am making. To analyse your ideals, Point two says that experience is no magic. Why do you contradict yourself, as you say this is giving young people good experience, then saying they don't need it all. Point three is wrong. These services get in they way of education and should at least only be done if, one, they have completed their desired education level first, and two, if they want to do this more than going into more education or employment. We still believe this is an infringement of human choice. Geogren Imwan, Leader of the SMP. |
| Date | 09:57:58, June 14, 2017 CET | From | Lodamese People's Progressive Party | To | Debating the Military Service Act 4226 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, While we do recognize the intent behind this bill, we must ask caution in the matter. While the profile afforded to military service versus civilian service is, in our opinion, definitely undue, abolishing the service altogether could create massive gaps in our social system and, in addition, be detrimental to the culture of solidarity within our nation. We propose to limit mandatory military service and improve pay for civilian service workers instead, which would circumvent the issue of conscience and create a more equal and fair basis while maintaining the benefits of civil/social service. Thank you. Robert Calavo MP, LP3 |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 200 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 277 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 122 |
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