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Bill: Singing the national anthem policy - SLP - October 4239
Details
Submitted by[?]: Parti Socialist
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 4240
Description[?]:
| Children shouldn't be forced to sing the national anthem everyday. They must show respect for it though. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Singing the national anthem in schools.
Old value:: Children are made to sing the national anthem at the commencement of school each day.
Current: Children are only made to sing the national anthem on special occasions.
Proposed: Children are never made to sing the national anthem.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:57:39, July 11, 2017 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the Singing the national anthem policy - SLP - October 4239 |
| Message | M. Premier Ministre! For shame! Is the Gouvernement upset by patriotism? This has to just be pandering to liberal, globalization forces. No true Kanjorien could kowtow to such entities. A true Kanjorien never gives up their patriotism for it is built on collective experience, which the national anthem builds in our children. Is our Prime Ministre and his Gouvernment agents of a foreign power? Or have ties to such forces? These and other actions very much concern us. And, as always, God protect Kanjor! Abbé Nicholas de Saint-Martin PHC-ADCC |
| Date | 18:31:43, July 11, 2017 CET | From | Parti Socialist | To | Debating the Singing the national anthem policy - SLP - October 4239 |
| Message | Collegues Are we really going to force our kids to do something they maybe don't want? Freedom is a crucial right. The Kanjorian voters punished UPD with last elections because they are tired of following al those rules. Let people be free. Especially kids. Loyaliste de l'Empire-Uni (PHC-ADCC) is going the same way UPD did. We can not tolerate this! Freedom! Kristof Calvo Socialist Liberal Party Minister of Education and culture |
| Date | 19:34:43, July 11, 2017 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the Singing the national anthem policy - SLP - October 4239 |
| Message | M. Ministre Calvo, Are you suggesting that pupils, in a school setting, only do things they wish? If this is the case, why not let them decide if they wish to go to school? If freedom is the ultimate goal or the PLS and their cronies, why stop here? Why have schools - the ultimate form of child "oppression" - at all? The PLS worships at the altar of freedom like all bourgeois parties. Freedom is their god. And what is the result of such "freedom"? A society that is based only on the individual. A society that will tear itself apart in the pursuit of unfettered self-interest. It is a society without being a society. It is a collection of individuals without direction. A farm field has more cohesion than that you envision for the country: all the wheat is held together by the soil, it shares it together. What the PLS suggests is that the plants decide for themselves if they choose to be rooted in the soil. The fates of nations are found in the hands of its people. And when the people are only carry themselves, there are no hands for the nation. And, as always, God protect Kanjor! Abbé Nicholas de Saint-Martin PHC-ADCC |
| Date | 20:08:54, July 11, 2017 CET | From | Parti Socialist | To | Debating the Singing the national anthem policy - SLP - October 4239 |
| Message | Education is universal right and has nothing to do with having no freedom. Forcing children to sing the national anthem in school is oppressing them. Freedom gives people the option to do what they want. Loyaliste de l'Empire-Uni (PHC-ADCC) wants to live the the live of our people. People have no choice but doing what the government tells them to do. We want people to get educated! But singing the national anthem everyday is brainwashing the kids. |
| Date | 22:20:50, July 11, 2017 CET | From | Social Canrialliaise Unity Front | To | Debating the Singing the national anthem policy - SLP - October 4239 |
| Message | We share the position that the PHC-ADCC has regarding this issue. |
| Date | 22:57:35, July 11, 2017 CET | From | Parti Socialist | To | Debating the Singing the national anthem policy - SLP - October 4239 |
| Message | As PUF likes to control everything and everyone that doesn't amaze us |
| Date | 23:08:27, July 11, 2017 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the Singing the national anthem policy - SLP - October 4239 |
| Message | M. Ministre Calvo, The national anthem is now "oppression" and "brainwashing"? Of all the things that happen over the course of the day that the government is not involved in. There is only a few minutes of a student's day that the government tells them to sing a song. Is that oppression? Is that brainwashing? If that is oppression in the eyes of the PLS, they have their priorities imbalanced. If the singing the national anthem for a few minutes is brainwashing, then what the advertisements they see on the television or on street corners everyday? The average students sees far more minutes of corporate advertising "brainwashing" them to buy, consume, and discard all everything in the pursuit of fantasy. Are our girls not "brainwashed" everyday into thinking that their bodies are not good enough by cosmetic businesses and clothing retailers? Does the PLS wish to see the end of advertising "brainwashing" as well? We find it odd that the PLS chooses to rid the nation of a few minutes of patriotism and instead accepts the decadence of our youth's obsession with material possessions! A little consistency, please! Which is the deeper problem? ... the PLS has us to believe that patriotism is. What does that say of them? And, as always, God protect Kanjor! Abbé Nicholas de Saint-Martin PHC-ADCC |
| Date | 23:40:11, July 11, 2017 CET | From | Parti Socialist | To | Debating the Singing the national anthem policy - SLP - October 4239 |
| Message | Minister Nicholas de Saint-Martin It starts with what you call a little "patriotism" and it ends with the government controlling everyone like UPD did in the past. We think a child is to young to make his own choices. That's why we shouldn't force something. And let them make their choices when they're older. Because they are so young they just will do what they are told and think it's normal. That's why we see this as oppression and brainwashing. Don't get me wrong. We are very proud with our national anthem and as we say respect must be shown to our national anthem. But forcing children to sing it is a bridge to far. Kristof Calvo Socialist Liberal Party Minister of Education and culture |
| Date | 01:38:31, July 12, 2017 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the Singing the national anthem policy - SLP - October 4239 |
| Message | M. Ministre Calvo, You claim this bill is includes "respect" for the national anthem. But it clearly doesn't! There was a proposal option that clearly stated that students must "show respect" and you did not choose that option! Either the PSL is incompetent, negligent, or this is part of a liberal conspiracy to rid the nation of its patriotism to make it more open to some sort of outside agenda. So we ask again, is the PSL being supported by nefarious outside entities? Is it involved in a conspiracy? Or a Freudian slip? No other subject would rise our ire this badly. Normally, the PHC-ADCC-MO-PRN coalition is very courteous. But this is too far! Claiming "freedom" is an excuse when the PSL clearly has not included the correct bill for consideration. And, as always, God protect Kanjor! Abbé Nicholas de Saint-Martin PHC-ADCC |
| Date | 04:59:38, July 12, 2017 CET | From | Parti Socialist | To | Debating the Singing the national anthem policy - SLP - October 4239 |
| Message | That bill still contain listening to it everyday. That's the reason we didn't choose that bill. Had nothing to do with incompetence. Furthermore PHC-ADCC has not to tell us how we need to organize our self and should be looking at itself. We don't need lecture from a conservative, wanting to control everything kind of party. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 227 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 173 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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