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Bill: P.d.I. 1/4240: "Crime and Punishment"
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partito Radicale
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 4241
Description[?]:
| "The Istalian state is too soft on criminals. We imprison people for their crimes but allow them to live their lives as if they were innocent and free. Furthermore, we are limiting our prospects of catching criminals by restricting our DNA database. Many people accused of are criminals and it would be useful to have their DNA on record." - Oliviera Vietti, Justice spokesperson |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Voting rights of criminals.
Old value:: Criminals are always allowed to vote, regardless of whether they are in jail or not.
Current: Criminals released from jail are not allowed to vote.
Proposed: Criminals released from jail are allowed to vote.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's position towards the use of forensic DNA databases.
Old value:: Only DNA from persons convicted of crime is recorded.
Current: DNA from persons accused or convicted for a crime is recorded.
Proposed: DNA from persons accused or convicted for a crime is recorded.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:41:07, July 12, 2017 CET | From | Partito Nazionale Democratico | To | Debating the P.d.I. 1/4240: "Crime and Punishment" |
| Message | Beniamino Massa, AI Leader, We have been fighting for this for years now, but your left government blocked our proposals. Thank you for finally coming to your senses! |
| Date | 19:48:48, July 12, 2017 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the P.d.I. 1/4240: "Crime and Punishment" |
| Message | Lavinia Maggi, Whip of LP: "What is it this? And what means "too soft"? How the limitation of personal freedom inside a penitentiary allows the criminals to "live their lives as if they were innocent and free"? What have to do the right to the vote to be recognized to any citizens with a "live as innocent and free"? This is pure nonsense! And if you don't know it, we are a Democracy and among the most basic principles regarding the Judiciary there is the Presumption of innocence. Such a reform could allow anyone to accuse anyone which for this reason should suffer an inacceptable interference into his privacy! Also when he did nothing! And Alternativa Istalia would be a bunch of fascists? With such a bill what is it the PCI instead?" |
| Date | 20:10:42, July 12, 2017 CET | From | Nuova Unione | To | Debating the P.d.I. 1/4240: "Crime and Punishment" |
| Message | Arcadio Campini, FR chairman Dear Colleagues, Can you explain us, why a man that stole some money to support his family have his right to vote remove? We also want to know why should a person accused of convicting a crime be destined to suffer from endless accusations of convicting such an act? Because we want you to understand that people whose DNA would be recorded would not be able to be treated the same way as all others. This reform will mark them for life. Yes, they would not only live in fear for the entire time but also they could be ridiculed, hated and feared just because of that! Let's say that they live in a poor, conservative neighborhood. They are accused of convicting a crime. Now, there is a possibility that the fact that they'll be monitored will cause their status to fall. I lived in such a neighborhood. Do you know how dangerous that is? |
| Date | 20:22:38, July 12, 2017 CET | From | Nuova Unione | To | Debating the P.d.I. 1/4240: "Crime and Punishment" |
| Message | Arcadio Campini, FR chairman Dear Colleagues, Can you explain us, why a man that stole some money to support his family have his right to vote remove? We also want to know why should a person accused of convicting a crime be destined to suffer from endless accusations of convicting such an act? Because we want you to understand that people whose DNA would be recorded would not be able to be treated the same way as all others. This reform will mark them for life. Yes, they would not only live in fear for the entire time but also they could be ridiculed, hated and feared just because of that! Let's say that they live in a poor, conservative neighborhood. They are accused of convicting a crime. Now, there is a possibility that the fact that they'll be monitored will cause their status to fall. I lived in such a neighborhood. Do you know how dangerous that is? |
| Date | 22:33:50, July 12, 2017 CET | From | Partito Nazionale Democratico | To | Debating the P.d.I. 1/4240: "Crime and Punishment" |
| Message | Beniamino Massa, AI Leader, That is why we propose that everyone's DNA be recorded, for security sake as anyway when you are issued IDs or Passports, your DNA is recorded as well. So why limit it to prisoners? Furthermore full DNA recording can simplify all areas, from payments to as mentioned travel. |
| Date | 22:42:03, July 12, 2017 CET | From | Nuova Unione | To | Debating the P.d.I. 1/4240: "Crime and Punishment" |
| Message | Arcadio Campini, FR Chairman We could understand if you would want to record the DNA of all citizens, though. |
| Date | 11:21:03, July 13, 2017 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the P.d.I. 1/4240: "Crime and Punishment" |
| Message | Davide Tajani: "I advice since now that the passage of such a bill will comporte the immediate exit of LP from any government. And you are all simply an authoritarian bunch of extremists which like to interfere in the lifes of our citizens! DNA collected from all the citizens? You will not touch my blood or cellule! NEVER!" |
| Date | 11:29:40, July 13, 2017 CET | From | Partito Radicale | To | Debating the P.d.I. 1/4240: "Crime and Punishment" |
| Message | "I would like to remind Mr. Tajani that we haven't had a new government yet - we're still waiting. LP are not in government, FR, NS and EL still form the government, so we're not sure how LP can resign." - Stefania Caccese, General Secretary |
| Date | 11:53:40, July 13, 2017 CET | From | Nuova Unione | To | Debating the P.d.I. 1/4240: "Crime and Punishment" |
| Message | Arcadio Campini, FR Chairman Understanding something does not mean supporting it, Mr Tajani. |
| Date | 13:29:26, July 13, 2017 CET | From | Alleanza Radicale - NCD | To | Debating the P.d.I. 1/4240: "Crime and Punishment" |
| Message | Davide Tajani: "Mrs Caccese, it is clear that it was an advice not for you but for the collegues of AI. It is clear that we are dealing to form a government despite the allegations made by you communists about the inactivity of Presidency and Majoritarian forces." |
| Date | 13:43:49, July 13, 2017 CET | From | Partito Nazionale Democratico | To | Debating the P.d.I. 1/4240: "Crime and Punishment" |
| Message | Beniamino Massa, AI Leader, You are trapping us and halting the coalition building process. We will vote in favor of this bill as we have been fighting for the implementation since the beginning. If to be in power, we have to betray the foundation of the party, then we are better off on the opposition benches and will want to see how you try to gather the numbers. We sincerely hope that should this bill not pass, and it probably won't, you will forgive us for staying with our principles. With all due respect. |
| Date | 14:10:05, July 13, 2017 CET | From | Partito Radicale | To | Debating the P.d.I. 1/4240: "Crime and Punishment" |
| Message | "It has been almost a year since the election now. Istalia has no Infrastructure and Transport minister and no Environment and Tourism minister and the premier belongs to the second-smallest party in parliament. Due to President Delfina's dithering, and I suspect in-fighting between the right-wing parties, Istalia has become the laughing stock of the continent. You try to blame the Communists but we are simply doing our jobs - we are the opposition. It is not our fault that the right is so fractured and effectively at war against one another. PCI is doing a good job of showing just how divided the right is." - Stefania Caccese, General Secretary |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 273 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 215 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 147 |
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