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Bill: Higher Educatin Tution Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Modern Intellectual Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2188
Description[?]:
| We believe the current law is a disgrace and makes it harder for poorer people to go to university. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Higher education tuition policy.
Old value:: The government does not subsidize tuition, students must pay for higher education themselves. This does not include scholarship programs.
Current: The government fully subsidizes tuition.
Proposed: The government subsidizes tuition only for students from families classified as low-income or poor.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:58:01, February 18, 2006 CET | From |  Bastiat Party | To | Debating the Higher Educatin Tution Bill |
| Message | Oppose. |
| Date | 19:31:19, February 18, 2006 CET | From | Partiya Rizgarî ya Bamenistan | To | Debating the Higher Educatin Tution Bill |
| Message | "We believe the current law is a disgrace........." The BLP disagrees. People can take out a loan. ".......and makes it harder for poorer people to go to university." Although our basic assumptions differ the BLP took some time to think about this issue. Independent from their parents students should be able to go to university and choose the study they like. This freedom of choice has to apply to every (potential) student. Therefore we are willing to support a compromise : " The government introduces means tested loans for higher education tuition, to be paid back by students after earnings reach a certain amount" |
| Date | 21:30:17, February 18, 2006 CET | From | Marx-Lenin Communist Party | To | Debating the Higher Educatin Tution Bill |
| Message | Support |
| Date | 01:34:20, February 19, 2006 CET | From | Modern Intellectual Party | To | Debating the Higher Educatin Tution Bill |
| Message | I appreciate your compromise but believe that such loans would still deter poorer students. Would you agree that a person from a rich family, who does not need to take out a loan of any kind, would be more likely to go to university then a person from a poor family who would face a serious loan? This is unfair. It would mean people who could do great things with a university education being left behind simply because they came for a poor family. |
| Date | 09:47:59, February 19, 2006 CET | From | Partiya Rizgarî ya Bamenistan | To | Debating the Higher Educatin Tution Bill |
| Message | Our point is a completly different one. To us its a matter of freedom of choice potential students, regardless of their extraction, should have. Money is not our issue here but the freedom to choose independent from others. The BLP believes the government has to support that. |
| Date | 17:56:15, February 19, 2006 CET | From | Marx-Lenin Communist Party | To | Debating the Higher Educatin Tution Bill |
| Message | How can there be freedom when students can potentially buy themselves a better education. |
| Date | 18:24:56, February 19, 2006 CET | From | Modern Intellectual Party | To | Debating the Higher Educatin Tution Bill |
| Message | I'm sorry, but I don't understand the BLP's point...poor students have to make a choice of whether to be heavily in debt or not go to university, whereas rich students don't need to choose, their resources mean they will not have to be in debt. That is the freedom of choice. Can you not see that less people from low-income families will go to university? |
| Date | 21:01:55, February 19, 2006 CET | From | Partiya Rizgarî ya Bamenistan | To | Debating the Higher Educatin Tution Bill |
| Message | Yes, MIP, we really see your point, but the BLP also disagree. It is everyones own choice to go to the university and not the choice of parents. And about the money thing we like to state that in our compromise it is clearly stated that the loan or grant has "to be paid back by students after earnings reach a certain amount" (!). The BLP regrets the unwillingness of the MIP to agree on a very reasonble compromise. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 172 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 216 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 12 |
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