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Bill: Gun Ownership Deregulation
Details
Submitted by[?]: Klassiskt Liberala Partiet
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2188
Description[?]:
| Armed people are free. No state can control those who have the machinery and the will to resist, no mob can take their liberty and property. And no 220-pound thug can threaten the well-being or dignity of a 110-pound woman who has two pounds of iron to even things out... People who object to weapons aren't abolishing violence, they're begging for rule by brute force, when the biggest, strongest animals among men were always automatically "right." Guns ended that, and a social democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make it work. L. Neil Smith (from The Probability Broach) |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Weapon concealment.
Old value:: People must first obtain a permit in order to carry concealed weapons.
Current: People must first obtain a permit in order to carry concealed weapons.
Proposed: Any legal weapon may be concealed when carried.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Ownership of guns by private individuals.
Old value:: Adult individuals may not own firearms unless professionally required.
Current: Individuals are allowed to own firearms as long as they do not have a history of dangerous mental illness or a violent criminality.
Proposed: Adult individuals are allowed to own and purchase guns freely.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Weapons allowed to private citizens.
Old value:: Only certain types of weapons may be owned by the general public, and there are further restrictions on places where they may be carried.
Current: Only certain types of weapons may be owned by the general public, and there are further restrictions on places where they may be carried.
Proposed: Citizens may own any type of weapon. They may be carried anywhere except as determined by the property owner.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:28:05, February 18, 2006 CET | From |  Klassiskt Liberala Partiet | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | An armed person is a citizen. An unarmed person is a subject. |
| Date | 15:48:50, February 18, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | No, we are against armed people. If one need an arm to discuss the democracy, probably he is not so democratic. |
| Date | 15:50:35, February 18, 2006 CET | From | Klassiskt Liberala Partiet | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | We need arms to defend democracy. |
| Date | 15:51:33, February 18, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | From who? If our state is in peril, there is the army. Citizens don't need arms. |
| Date | 16:42:02, February 18, 2006 CET | From | Klassiskt Liberala Partiet | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | And who protects democracy against the government and the army? |
| Date | 17:15:40, February 18, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | The elections. |
| Date | 17:23:28, February 18, 2006 CET | From | Klassiskt Liberala Partiet | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | Ah, that is why you tried to increase the terms and have less elections? I see .... |
| Date | 17:24:14, February 18, 2006 CET | From | Klassiskt Liberala Partiet | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | Oh, and Hitler was elected. |
| Date | 17:50:42, February 18, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | Hitler? Who is it? On Terran history we had never have Hitler. Have 42 months rather than 36 will not change our regime. |
| Date | 17:54:15, February 18, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | OOC: please not use RL reference on IC. About Hitler: in his time nobody have arms, if you think that arm can stop dictators? |
| Date | 17:54:31, February 18, 2006 CET | From | Klassiskt Liberala Partiet | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | The Nazis were the first ones to introduce gun laws. You dont want to be a Nazi, do you? |
| Date | 18:00:35, February 18, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | OOC: I was titled fascist, now nazist... About gun laws, then it seems that the entire Europe is nazist. The strange thing is that the rate of gun murders in EU is one of the most lower. |
| Date | 18:05:13, February 18, 2006 CET | From | Klassiskt Liberala Partiet | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | OOC: Switzerland has one of the most lowest gun crime rates and almost everyone has a gun there. |
| Date | 18:15:43, February 18, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | OOC: and not have never used their arms for save the democracy. |
| Date | 18:24:08, February 18, 2006 CET | From | Klassiskt Liberala Partiet | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | OOC: Yes, because they never needed to. Hitler didnt invade them because it was too dangerous. Mountaineous region with many armed people = not a nice place to invade. |
| Date | 18:36:22, February 18, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | OOC: actually Switzerland was the Reich bank. It is well know that swiss banks were used to store hebrew gold. Please not change the history. |
| Date | 23:56:15, February 18, 2006 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | We'll back, if only to annoy the faggots and fascists of the SL. |
| Date | 12:29:37, February 19, 2006 CET | From | Northern Light | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | No way..so you want to change of "Who is biggest wins" to "Who have the biggest gun wins" Woah! That' a big improvement of democracy! |
| Date | 20:35:50, February 19, 2006 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | What will guns have to do with democracy? |
| Date | 23:31:30, February 19, 2006 CET | From | Northern Light | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | "democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make it work." You think it's stupid? me too! Hey...don't ask me, ask him! |
| Date | 23:36:20, February 19, 2006 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | I was commenting on your view that elections would be influenced by guns, how so? |
| Date | 12:13:28, February 20, 2006 CET | From | Northern Light | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | I didnt say that! That was the motivation for this bill |
| Date | 18:53:02, February 20, 2006 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the Gun Ownership Deregulation |
| Message | Is it? Where does it say that? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 85 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 116 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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