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Bill: Education Reform 2 - PLP - July 4250
Details
Submitted by[?]: Progressiv Liberale Partei
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 4251
Description[?]:
| Government subsidizes only building schools and hiring teachers. Their wage will be payed for 25% by the government. This to stay involved in education. When al the schools are build we can adjust the budget again. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government funding for private schools.
Old value:: Private educational institutions receive no government funding whatsoever.
Current: The funding of private schools is the responsibility of local governments.
Proposed: All private schools, even for-profit private schools, are given government funding.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 07:27:02, August 02, 2017 CET | From | Demokratische Partei Dundorfs | To | Debating the Education Reform 2 - PLP - July 4250 |
| Message | Why would the government stay involved? You've already introduced legislation removing the government from education so far as determining educational standards and delivery. Yet you want the government to subsidise private industry simply to stay involved? If you support the free market the government should get out of education completely. If you feel that private industry cannot adequately deliver services on its own, as this bill would suggest, why privatise in the first place? Birgitte Bechtel FPD Education and Culture Spokesperson |
| Date | 07:35:43, August 02, 2017 CET | From | Progressiv Liberale Partei | To | Debating the Education Reform 2 - PLP - July 4250 |
| Message | Privatizing means less corruption as power is taken from the government. Giving all the power to private companies also makes them corrupt. That's why the government needs to stay involved in our opinion Felix Zimmermann Progressiv Liberale Partei |
| Date | 07:43:37, August 02, 2017 CET | From | Nationale Syndikalistische Liga | To | Debating the Education Reform 2 - PLP - July 4250 |
| Message | I'm sorry... But none of that made any sense. Your idea about corruption in centralized institutions simply is not right. Yes, it makes sense to stop over production and under production to make affordability a issue by making competition... But it just... Doesn't work in the way you imply. Erik Schwinger, Liga Fuhrer |
| Date | 08:05:10, August 02, 2017 CET | From | Progressiv Liberale Partei | To | Debating the Education Reform 2 - PLP - July 4250 |
| Message | It doesn't make sense you say? In communism all the power is given to the government, where they control everything. Flat capitalism gives all the power to private companies. In both ways there's a lot of corruption. That's why we need to distribute power. (OOC: Look at the Sovjet Union, it was nothing less then corruption and oppression, if you look today to the USA then you see there's a lot of corruption too. Certainly in last elections.) |
| Date | 08:15:08, August 02, 2017 CET | From | Demokratische Partei Dundorfs | To | Debating the Education Reform 2 - PLP - July 4250 |
| Message | This proposal would lead to even further corruption. Private companies are literally gouging money from the pockets of government to help fund building works and teacher salaries. To say that flat capitalism gives all the power to companies is not necessarily true. Where you have a truly open market with multiple competitors, it should be the consumer that has the greatest power - that of choice. Birgitte Bechtel FPD Education and Culture Spokesperson |
| Date | 08:33:07, August 02, 2017 CET | From | Progressiv Liberale Partei | To | Debating the Education Reform 2 - PLP - July 4250 |
| Message | If you look at historical facts about giving al power to the free market you'll know it does lead to more corruption. And is certainly not giving the consumer the greatest power. Regulation of the market stays necessary. Further the building of schools is a process that will stop when there are enough schools, further it is negotiable to say the government pays 50% of costs when building schools. The budget will be adjusted then. The government paying 25% of the wages is necessary to keep the government involved. There are area's that can be given to free market without regulations. Education isn't one of those. Felix Zimmermann Progressiv Liberale Partei |
| Date | 09:01:08, August 02, 2017 CET | From | Demokratische Partei Dundorfs | To | Debating the Education Reform 2 - PLP - July 4250 |
| Message | 6 years ago the FPD voted to increase the education budget by 5% to improve school services and educational outcomes. Where do you get the idea that there aren't sufficient schools? Are there millions of Dundorfian children sitting home all day unable to learn because schools are at capacity? We agree that education requires regulation. That is why we have voted against your education reforms. You are removing regulation around the provision of a national curriculum. More importantly you are attempting to introduce a significant cost to families by making them pay for education - something we in the FPD believe is a universal right. Regardless of your protections for low-income earners there are no protections offered for those on middle income. They will be forced to pay for childcare and pre-school. They will be forced to pay towards higher education tuition. On top of all of this the government will be even further out of pocket! And who will be pocketing all this extra money? Business! Profit over progress - the new PLP mantra. Birgitte Bechtel FPD Education and Culture Spokesperson |
| Date | 12:32:30, August 02, 2017 CET | From | Progressiv Liberale Partei | To | Debating the Education Reform 2 - PLP - July 4250 |
| Message | The national curriculum again is a local issue in our bill. They are closer to the people to implement a new curriculum we propose. Further we think children should be able to choose some courses. Also there comes a new course to learn teenagers how to live as an adult. How to fill on tax papers etc.. That will be implemented by local governments. The national curriculum isn't going away it is slightly loosened. Higher tuition is payed back 50%. If you are able to pay tuition you should be paying a part by yourself. For childcare only low income people will be payed back indeed. Saying that we are deregulating education is nonsense and populistic talks |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 34 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 466 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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