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Bill: A Clean Bill of Health
Details
Submitted by[?]: Konservative Partei
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 4261
Description[?]:
| Health care outcomes in Dundorf are falling behind because of our reliance on bureaucratic government-run health care. This bill opens the door to private innovators who can create a more efficient health system. It also reduces unnecessary costs to taxpayers. People who can afford to pay for pharmaceutical drugs themselves should not be putting the burden on public money. The bill creates a safety net for low-income earners, to ensure that they can receive the medical care they need. - Andreas Hansen, health spokesperson for the Konservative Partei. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Health care policy.
Old value:: There is a public health care system, but private clinics are allowed.
Current: There is a public health care system, but private clinics are allowed.
Proposed: Health care is private, but is paid for by the state for people with low incomes.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Pharmaceutical drugs policy.
Old value:: The government pays for all citizens' pharmaceutical drugs.
Current: The government supplies free pharmaceutical drugs to those on low incomes.
Proposed: The government subsidises the cost of pharmaceutical drugs for people on low incomes.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:09:55, August 22, 2017 CET | From | Freie Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the A Clean Bill of Health |
| Message | OOC: This law doesn't work in real life, while it does provide access to healthcare, it astronomically raises costs, check Obamacare. This system will implode, as companies will have full control over prices - they WILL raise them, because they know that the state will pay for them, plus it is impossible to establish a competative market in the healthcare sector. Taxpayers will have to pay more over time. Worth checking: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/06/-sp-universal-healthcare-the-affordable-dream-amartya-sen#img-1 |
| Date | 10:28:32, August 22, 2017 CET | From | Demokratische Partei Dundorfs | To | Debating the A Clean Bill of Health |
| Message | OOC: I love that everyone's go to example for the inability of private health to work is the US. There are countries, such as the Netherlands, where a private care system is extremely successful and consistently ranked as one of, if not the, best in Europe. Yes costs may be higher but again this depends on the level of regulation imposed. Whether private or public it is almost guaranteed that taxpayers will pay more over time. In the case of a private system it is through the direct cost of services while in a public system the state bears the cost which is recouped through taxation. Look at just about any system in the world and you will see that costs rise. Through a combination of more expensive, newer technologies, research and development, the high barriers to entry of the industry as a whole, ageing populations, the list goes on. Universal healthcare is constantly paraded as some dream scenario where services are free. It's not. The consumer ultimately pays at some point. |
| Date | 11:16:29, August 22, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Partei | To | Debating the A Clean Bill of Health |
| Message | OOC: Is there really any call for an OOC debate/discussion about this? Whether these one-sentence proposals would "work in real life" has nothing to do with anything. How about we just play the game? |
| Date | 18:32:33, August 22, 2017 CET | From | Freie Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the A Clean Bill of Health |
| Message | OOC: Interestingly all systems with compulsory private insurance have greater costs per capita, check https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.economicshelp.org%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F11%2Ftotal-spending-per-capita.png&f=1 |
| Date | 15:19:18, August 23, 2017 CET | From | Freie Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the A Clean Bill of Health |
| Message | OOC: That fact was recognised by the OECD. And Zorgverzekeringswet (Zvw- basic mandatory insurance) is heavily regulated by the government |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 254 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 246 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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