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Bill: No Pain, No Gain
Details
Submitted by[?]: Konservative Partei
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 4262
Description[?]:
| The rationale for this legislation is simple. The infliction of physical pain is effective tool for punishment, deterrence and moral learning. It teaches people that actions have consequences. When lives are at stake, or the future of our children is at stake, we have nothing less than a moral obligation to pursue the most effective means possible. - Julia Holst, justice spokesperson for the Konservative Partei. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Legality of judicial physical punishment
Old value:: All forms of physical punishment are illegal.
Current: All forms of physical punishment are illegal.
Proposed: Judicial corporal punishment that causes permanent injury (eg. mutilation) is legal.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: Torture is never allowed.
Proposed: It is at the discretion of the police officer to torture suspects for information.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding the treatment of prisoners of war.
Old value:: Prisoners of war must be treated well, according to internationally-accepted standards.
Current: Prisoners of war must be treated well, according to internationally-accepted standards.
Proposed: Prisoners of war may be mistreated without legal sanction.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The teacher's right to discipline children.
Old value:: No forms of direct discipline are allowed.
Current: Teachers are forbidden from striking children and may only use non-contact discipline (detention, expulsion etc).
Proposed: Teachers may use corporal punishment at their discretion.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:08:37, August 24, 2017 CET | From | Freie Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the No Pain, No Gain |
| Message | What does the KP intend to achieve with this? |
| Date | 11:17:27, August 24, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Partei | To | Debating the No Pain, No Gain |
| Message | What did the FPD intend to achieve with this? http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=534651 - Jens Hanel, Fraktionsvorsitzender der Konservativen Partei. |
| Date | 11:31:47, August 24, 2017 CET | From | Sozialistische Einheitspartei Dundorfs | To | Debating the No Pain, No Gain |
| Message | This bill is really disgusting. It shows what the KP is really made of: a team of butchers! Kahrl Heinz Metzger MdR |
| Date | 13:11:23, August 24, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Partei | To | Debating the No Pain, No Gain |
| Message | Says the guy whose name literally means butcher. [Riotous laughter throughout the chamber.] - Jens Hanel, Fraktionsvorsitzender der Konservativen Partei. |
| Date | 20:52:11, August 24, 2017 CET | From | Sozialistische Einheitspartei Dundorfs | To | Debating the No Pain, No Gain |
| Message | Occ Yes, it was meant as a joke. I admit, not a good one ;-). |
| Date | 07:20:58, August 25, 2017 CET | From | Konservative Partei | To | Debating the No Pain, No Gain |
| Message | OOC: Don't worry, I appreciated the joke! |
| Date | 08:03:26, August 25, 2017 CET | From | Sozialistische Einheitspartei Dundorfs | To | Debating the No Pain, No Gain |
| Message | We congratulate the DPD in voting against a bill of "his master's voice". Or has it to do with some opportunism......again? Kahrl Heinz Metzger. |
| Date | 08:47:24, August 25, 2017 CET | From | Demokratische Partei Dundorfs | To | Debating the No Pain, No Gain |
| Message | You want to talk opportunism Metzger? Look at your presidents. They jumped from your ship to the KP/DNA ship then back to you all in the pursuit of the very power you gave them by endorsing their bid for office. My party, a newly reformed party with a set of goals and ideals of clear difference from the original FPD has chosen a path that aligns with parties of similar ideological interests. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 184 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 316 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: The Real-Life Equivalents Index is a valuable resource for finding out the in-game equivalents of real-life cultures, languages, religions, people and places: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6731 |
| Random quote: "Power always has to be kept in check; power exercised in secret, especially under the cloak of national security, is doubly dangerous." - William Proxmire |