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Bill: Freedom (ii)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Likaton Fascist Front
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2190
Description[?]:
| Our system of justice needs some adjustment. Appealing a decision to a single person or government department is undemocratic and very much open to corruption. We feel that it is unecessary to involve a government department as a 'go-between' to decide if there is enough evidence for an appeal to occur. We wish to see appeals against judgements made to a panel of peers, in accordance with principles of Justice generally practiced, rather than a beaurocrat. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The right to appeal against a judgement rendered by a court.
Old value:: Every person has the right to appeal to the Minister of Justice to have a judgement reviewed by another court.
Current: Every person has the right to appeal against a judgement and to have it reviewed by a higher court.
Proposed: Every person has the right to appeal against a judgement and to have it reviewed by a higher court.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:05:31, February 22, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Freedom (ii) |
| Message | I love the 'spirit' of the proposal... but, I'm afraid the reality would be a clogged-up judicial system... |
| Date | 17:34:24, February 22, 2006 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Freedom (ii) |
| Message | We feel that it would be less clogging of the system, since appeals could be made to any higher court rather than all appeals being funneled thru the Minister of Justice. Therefore, we support both in the spirit of justice and effeciency. |
| Date | 20:08:16, February 22, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Freedom (ii) |
| Message | We believe the AM RLP is ignoring the fact that there is a 'psychological' element to the routing of appeals via the Minister of Justice... which which prevents a large amount of frivilous appeals. Also, of course... it needn't be the actual MINISTER, himself/herself, that reviews appeals.... just the 'office of' the Minister. At the moment, an appeal is requested, and the Ministry can okay or veto it, before it gets as far as a full 'review'. If this law comes through, ANY case can be automatically 'appealed'... and then a review is required... for EVERY case that gets a'ppealed'. |
| Date | 20:32:22, February 22, 2006 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Freedom (ii) |
| Message | We understand the point our friends in AM AAP are making, but hesitate to leave this much power in a single official (or his ministry). We would not wish to imply anything less than incorruptability on the part of Seth Jean, but who knows what this might lead to in a future cabinet. why, we might as well have a monarch on throne as to allow one man to deny appeals simply because he does not like the appealer (or has been paid by parties on the other side). |
| Date | 21:39:52, February 22, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Freedom (ii) |
| Message | We can see the risk that the AM RLP is suggesting... but we can have our Ministry of Justice 'supervised' and held accountable. It would be worth a small expenditure in 'independent supervision' by some regulatory body... to see the huge savings it would make to the system to NOT have to have our courts hear EVERY appeal, no matter how frivilous and ephemeral. |
| Date | 12:22:04, February 23, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Freedom (ii) |
| Message | We feel that a judge can decide if an appeal has enough legs to stand in a court, and they are eminently more qualified than a beaurocrat to make this decision. If people want to waste their money chasing vexatious appeals that should be their right. |
| Date | 17:06:05, February 23, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Freedom (ii) |
| Message | Indeed, they should be able to waste THEIR money... but the time wasted on frivilous appeals costs ALL Likatonians. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 354 | ||||||
| no | Total Seats: 147 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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