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Bill: Vaccines Bill 4277
Details
Submitted by[?]: Dorvische Nationale Partei
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 4278
Description[?]:
| Some people say vaccines are bad. Maybe they are bad. If they don’t want the vaccine, let them not have it. Also herd protection exists, so we’ll be fine. Freedom! Adler Drumpf Leader |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's stance on vaccinations.
Old value:: The government mandates vaccination for all children.
Current: The government mandates vaccination for all children.
Proposed: The government mandates vaccination for all children, but parents may opt out for religious or ideological reasons.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:37:46, September 26, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Vaccines Bill 4277 |
| Message | This is so asinine, I'm genuinely shocked. There are two active parties who believe science is wrong and that children should be allowed to get horrific diseases. The next election do not look promising for Dorvik. Adam Wahler Co-Leader of the NPB Chancellor of Dorvik |
| Date | 17:05:10, September 26, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Nationale Partei | To | Debating the Vaccines Bill 4277 |
| Message | No! Lies! Wahler is fake news. We think all people should have a choice because we believe in freedom, and herd immunity will protect them anyway. Adler Drumpf Republikanische Partei Leader |
| Date | 20:03:56, September 26, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Vaccines Bill 4277 |
| Message | Freedom to kill hundreds of people? And as for your 'herd immunity' nonsense, that's BS. Most diseases, like meningitis, which vaccines solve cannot be controlled by genetic resistance. Adam Wahler Co-Leader of the NPB Chancellor of Dorvik |
| Date | 20:11:31, September 27, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Nationale Partei | To | Debating the Vaccines Bill 4277 |
| Message | The freedom for an individual to assess themselves whether the risk is acceptable. Awe, look at Herr Wahler trying to pretend he knows what herd immunity is. "Genetic resistance?" Wow! The concept is simple: with most people vaccinated -- as I believe there will be -- those few who are not vaccinated are protected. Perhaps you should stay away from matters you clearly do not understand, Chancellor. Wolfhard Lorenz Republikanische Partei Deputy Leader |
| Date | 20:55:00, September 27, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Vaccines Bill 4277 |
| Message | That's a ridiculous position. Someone without medical training cannot tell the risks of nonvaccination. I'm sorry for making myself unclear beforehand. I was articulating two different points: one, herd immunity is not effective enough to prevent outbreaks; two, genetic resistance also cannot be used as a defense. Adam Wahler Dorvish Chancellor |
| Date | 21:24:24, September 27, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Nationale Partei | To | Debating the Vaccines Bill 4277 |
| Message | There is debate within the medical community itself! What is the more ridiculous position, that we let people choose what to do with their own bodies or we force them to do things they don’t want to — benefitting nobody, because the risks of an outbreak are so minimal thanks to hereby immunity anyway that it doesn’t matter to the rest of the world? And did... did you just describe the idea of herd immunity as BS then? You seem to still have no comprehension of the concept. An outbreak is impossible, affecting at most only a small minority of the non-vaccinated people — who CHOSE this. There is no risk to those vaccinated. How do you not see this? You’re digging your own hole here, Chancellor. Clearly the argument is one of free will versus a the state making decisions for the people because they’re apparently too stupid to think for themselves what to do to their own bodies. Is that what you’re saying? The people are just too uneducated to think about matters themselves? Perhaps that would explain why you’re Chancellor, I suppose... Wolfhard Lorenz RP Deputy Leader |
| Date | 17:03:33, September 28, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Vaccines Bill 4277 |
| Message | The medical community agrees entirely that vaccination is good. The fact is that it is not any kind of freedom or choice when you let your child die of a disease they could be vaccinated against. If a large amount of people are not vaccinated, then an outbreak can occur. Does it not matter if only a few people die of disease, or is there a number where it begins to become relevant? The fact you are presenting this as the state just controlling people is ludicrous. It is preventing parents from killing their children by not having them vaccinated. If an unvaccinated child dies of a disease they could've been vaccinated for, that is manslaughter on the side of the parents. I have no doubt most people would choose to vaccinate their children, but you can't allow fringe crazes to run about with silly ideas, even if they only have 15 seats. Adam Wahler Dorvish Chancellor |
| Date | 20:07:15, September 28, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Nationale Partei | To | Debating the Vaccines Bill 4277 |
| Message | But those non-vaccinated kids won’t die, because of herd immunity! But they will escape an oppressive government forcing them to submit to awful, awful side effects! I have seen these kids. Awful, side effects are awful! Risky! This is a matter of choice! Adler Drumpf RP Leader |
| Date | 20:52:26, September 28, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Vaccines Bill 4277 |
| Message | Those non-vaccinated kids can die. Herd immunity stops spreading diseases, if someone isn't vaccinated they can die or be left seriously injured. There are no known long-term side effects to vaccines. This is as much a matter of choice as it is a matter of choice to refuse to give your child any medical attention like a cult would do. Adam Wahler |
| Date | 16:44:12, September 29, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Nationale Partei | To | Debating the Vaccines Bill 4277 |
| Message | Clearly you’re too dumb-dumb to understand herd immunity. Wahler is fake news. No to Wahler! Adler Drumpf RP Leader We’re done talking to this cretin. We’ve made our points clear enough. Wolhard Lorenz RP Deputy Leader |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 231 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 219 |
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