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Bill: Abolition of Capitalism Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Dorvische Kommunistische Partei
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 4289
Description[?]:
| Comrades, the global capitalist system has completely failed the people, economically, socially and morally. Let us be brave enough to embrace the only possible solution: communism. Long live the revolution! Friedrich Pfeiffer General Secretary of the Dorvish Communist Party |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The banking system.
Old value:: The government operates a central bank and all other banks are private.
Current: The government operates a central bank and all other banks are private.
Proposed: The government operates and owns all banks.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on Democratic Workers' Councils.
Old value:: The government does not intervene in the marketplace with regards to Democratic Workers' Councils.
Current: The government encourages the formation of Democratic Workers' Councils through subsidies and tax exemptions.
Proposed: The government requires most industries to be fully run by Democratic Workers' Councils.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on industry and subsidies to industrial operations.
Old value:: The government acts as an investor of last resort, by nationalizing failing industries that provide vital goods or services.
Current: The government acts as an investor of last resort, by nationalizing failing industries that provide vital goods or services.
Proposed: All industry is owned and operated by the state.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: Defence industries are privately owned but subsidised by the state.
Current: Defence industries are privately owned but subsidised by the state.
Proposed: The state owns all defence industries.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The education system.
Old value:: There is a free public education system and a small number of private schools, which are heavily regulated to ensure they teach adequate skills and information.
Current: There is a free public education system and a small number of private schools, which are heavily regulated to ensure they teach adequate skills and information.
Proposed: Education is entirely public and free; private schools are banned.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The government policy regarding housing.
Old value:: The state contracts with private companies to provide public housing.
Current: The state provides public housing to low-income families.
Proposed: The state owns and maintains all housing.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on energy generation.
Old value:: Private power stations provide energy for the entire power grid.
Current: All power stations are publicly owned.
Proposed: All power stations are publicly owned.
Article 8
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state offers a voluntary public pension, combined with other voluntary private pensions.
Current: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Proposed: The state operates a compulsory, public pension system.
Article 9
Proposal[?] to change Health care policy.
Old value:: There is a public health care system, but private clinics are allowed.
Current: There is a public health care system, but private clinics are allowed.
Proposed: Health care is entirely public and free; private clinics are banned.
Article 10
Proposal[?] to change Energy regulation.
Old value:: Energy is provided by private companies but the prices they can charge are regulated.
Current: Energy is provided by private companies but the prices they can charge are regulated.
Proposed: Energy is provided by nationalised companies.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:38:53, October 18, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Abolition of Capitalism Act |
| Message | Mr Pfeiffer, May it be of interest to you that Dorvik is the richest nation in the world? With one of the highest standards of living? And may it be of interest to you that no communist nation has ever, in the past, been anywhere near the wealth and living standards of our nation, no matter how long they were communist for? Communism is not only a system which takes away all of one's rights, and makes us slaves to a system we cannot change or hold to account, but it relies so heavily on the organisation of government that it will invariably lead to corruption, undemocracy and ultimately dictatorship. Edmond Albrecht Co-Leader of the NPB |
| Date | 11:58:15, October 18, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Kommunistische Partei | To | Debating the Abolition of Capitalism Act |
| Message | Mr. Albrecht, If you had a greater understanding of the objective reality of Metzist Science, you would not be offering us such foolish and trivial claims and commentaries. The great economic, social and political scientist, Karlstein Metz, accurately predicted over 2,500 years ago that capitalism is doomed to destruction by its inherent weaknesses and contradictions, and must inevitably be replaced by a communist form of social, political and economic organisation. The greatest living Metzist scientists today confidently predict capitalism will collapse within Dorvik in the next 20 years, and collapse Terra-wide in the next 30 years. We are living in the End Times of Capitalism. The question now is not whether capitalism will survive. It will not. The question is whether the transition to communism will take place in an orderly way, or whether there will first be a total collapse of our economy and a massive social and political breakdown. We, in the Dorvish Communist Party, urge the State Councillors here assembly to be far-sighted enough to accept the inevitable and choose the least disruptive option. Communism is the future. The only future. Power to the workers! Friedrich Pfeiffer General Secretary of the Dorvish Communist Party |
| Date | 12:14:42, October 18, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Abolition of Capitalism Act |
| Message | Mr Pfeiffer, Metz did predict the end of capitalism 2 and a half millennia ago. It appears that capitalism is still here and thriving. Your kind has predicted this end-time for capitalism for 2,500 years and it has never came true. There is nothing objective about your views, they are subjective and based on what you want to happen. Capitalism has survived for 3,000 years and is still strong. It will survive another 3,000 years. You are predicting a load of nonsensical events which you have no backing for. I could say that the world will end in 30 years due to a great flood caused by the wrath of the sea god and my prediction would be just as likely as yours. When your Metzist psuedoscience finally stops doing the whole 'waiting on the messiah' horsecrap and shows me some real evidence of world-wide downturn, I will then and only then accept you are right. Til then, you are an irrelevant lunatic frothing at the mouth for an apocalypse that shall never come. In 20 years time, I will rub this very conversation in your face. Edmond Albrecht Co-Leader of Pragmatismus |
| Date | 12:49:35, October 18, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Kommunistische Partei | To | Debating the Abolition of Capitalism Act |
| Message | Mr. Albrecht, Certain calculational errors about the End Date of Capitalism have been made in the past, but these were merely interpretational errors based on a misreading of Metzist Science and the works of Karlstein Metz. We have every confidence that the current prediction, of the destruction of capitalism Terra-wide within the next 30 years, is correct. In fact, we have been very conservative with our estimation, and believe we may actually have understated the length of time remaining. All of the foremost authorities of Metzist Science in Terra today are in consensus about this. Friedrich Pfeiffer General Secretary of the Dorvish Communist Party |
| Date | 14:31:52, October 18, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Abolition of Capitalism Act |
| Message | Mr Pfeiffer, Who are these Metzist scientists and how are they to be trusted? It's odd that you've missed the mark 2,000 times for a prediction, but this time it's definitely right. Edmond Albrecht Coleader of Pragmatismus |
| Date | 17:49:31, October 18, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Nationale Partei | To | Debating the Abolition of Capitalism Act |
| Message | *RP members cheer Albrecht* |
| Date | 23:18:58, October 18, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Kommunistische Partei | To | Debating the Abolition of Capitalism Act |
| Message | Mr. Albrecht, On 7th February 4281 a group of renowned Metzist experts from all across Terra met in Haldor to form the International Committee for the Estimation of the End Date of Capitalism (ICEEDC). With the assistance of a powerful computer, they calculated that capitalism will terminate Terra-wide on 6th November 4320, and in Dorvik on April 17th 4310. We have no reason whatsoever to believe these very eminent and learned scholars are wrong. They have never been wrong about anything before. Friedrich Pfeiffer General Secretary of the Dorvish Communist Party |
| Date | 23:24:34, October 18, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Abolition of Capitalism Act |
| Message | Mr Pfeiffer, They have never been wrong about anything before? Well, perhaps you're too young, but I remember in 4262 when 'Metzist Scientists' calculated the end of capitalism to be January 18th 4279. And I remember the prediction of a world-wide stock exchange crash in 4259 by a prominent Trigunian Metzist to occur within four years of that time. Or what about the prediction in 4267 by Metzists that there would be a violent revolution within 10 years in most of Majatra? And please, enlighten me, what will be the signs of the end of capitalism? Will the seas turn red? Will a white horseman appear? Will the first born of everyone who opposes your party die? Will locusts engulf Miktar? Edmond Albrecht Coleader of Pragmatismus Edmond Albrecht Coleader of Pragmatismus |
| Date | 23:33:09, October 18, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Kommunistische Partei | To | Debating the Abolition of Capitalism Act |
| Message | Mt Albrecht, I confess I have not studied the particular example you have given, but I can tell you that over the years, there have been many false claims and false predictions made by individuals who lacked a full grasp of the complex subtleties of the science of Metzism. This time, however, we have absolute confidence our experts have got it right. It would be an objective impossibility for so many esteemed Metzist scientists to be wrong about this.It really would. History will bury you, Mr. Albrecht, and capitalism with it. Friedrich Pfeiffer General Secretary of the Dorvish Communist Party |
| Date | 23:37:32, October 18, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Abolition of Capitalism Act |
| Message | Mr Pfeiffer, May I remind you that several thousand years ago the scientific consensus was that Terra was flat, black and white people were different species, atoms were solid, cells didn't exist and flying is impossible? You and your crackpots will die off, one day. You will be a footnote in history, and in fifty years time when capitalism still stands - you will be a historical laughign stock. Edmond Albrecht Coleader of Pragmatismus |
| Date | 00:00:44, October 19, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Kommunistische Partei | To | Debating the Abolition of Capitalism Act |
| Message | Those comparisons are not even relevant, since the scientific theory of Metzism supercedes the physical sciences, such as biology, geology and physics. It is far more accurate and reliable. Again, we have no doubt whatsoever about our predictions. The End of Capitalism is coming, and coming soon. What matters now is how our political leaders handle the transition. If we have foresight, it could be more smooth and harmonious. Otherwise... Friedrich Pfeiffer General Secretary of the Dorvish Communist Party |
| Date | 00:05:02, October 19, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Abolition of Capitalism Act |
| Message | Mr Pfeiffer, So your subjective opinion comes above objective science? How is Metz objectively right when all of his prediction have not materializes and his system has created desolate, starving countries while capitalism has brought bountiful food, housing and jobs. Furthermore, your threats of violence are not acceptable. Edmond Albrecht Coleader of Pragmatismus |
| Date | 00:15:55, October 19, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Kommunistische Partei | To | Debating the Abolition of Capitalism Act |
| Message | Mr. Albrecht, We have already explained this. The scientific theory outlined by Karlstein Metz 2,500 years ago is objectively correct, and capitalism is scheduled to perish in 30 years time. Metzism cannot be held responsible for the fact a few misguided individuals have abused or misinterpreted Metzist science. Friedrich Pfeiffer General Secretary of the Dorvish Communist Party |
| Date | 16:22:33, October 19, 2017 CET | From | Grüne Demokratische Partei | To | Debating the Abolition of Capitalism Act |
| Message | Mr Pfeiffer, Why is Metz always right? Why is it objective? Edmond Albrecht Coleader of Pragmatismus |
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